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View Poll Results: do you believe fox news is
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balanced, just like other channels 3 20.00%
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Old 2003-01-30, 14:47
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Thumbs Down Fox news, dont believe anything it says, not one word!

This is the most sick channel ive ever watched. They attacked almost every single nation that has some sort of problem with the US, or its policies. Ill put a list
China
North korea
France
German
Saudi arabia
The reast of the arab countries
The E.U.
Russia
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now what pisses me of. The propoganda machine, which is fox news, lies on everything, cmon they havnt left a lie, wether it was obviously fake, or just fake in a sneaky way. It calls its self "the channel america trusts" "for fair and balanced news" Which idiot, moron, blind ass is gonna believe there shit. Today i watched something a bit more obbsured than the usual. You see the are starting to hate the frenchies and are worried they'll vito any un decision on war, so they made a link between chiraq and saddam! OMG its amazing, and the used the usual bull "top officials said so, believe the top officials" well whos the top officials, previously the CIA had lied in so many cases. Here i have an official encarta resource
"At Reagan’s direction, the CIA created reports that exaggerated the economic and military threat presented by the Soviet Union. The distorted estimates helped Reagan persuade Congress to approve massive funding for the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)—a system of space-based defenses against nuclear attack. "
Now why wont they do it again.
Now what pisses me of even more, they hate muslims in a mad way, they hate almost everyone who isnt, not only american, but conservative, republican, and they even hate the protesters on the war on iraq?! But then they were being like "poor iraqies" "look at their dictator" HIPOCRACY!!! THEY HATE IRAQIES! does anyone believe they give a shit? no, hell they want iraqs oil, iraqs wealth, and a leader who supports them.
OK another bit of proof(again encarta)
"In Guatemala, the government of Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán planned to take over some land owned by a U.S. corporation, the United Fruit Company. With Eisenhower’s strong backing, the CIA plotted Arbenz’s overthrow in 1954 and helped install a right-wing dictatorship.
In Iran, Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq tried to secure greater government control of oil production and policy. British oil interests and the British secret service began to undermine Mosaddeq, and the CIA joined in because they saw Mossadeq’s government as sympathetic to the Soviet Union. In a coup in 1953, Mosaddeq’s government was replaced by an undemocratic monarchist regime under Muhammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. American investors then acquired a major slice of Iranian oil production. "
They constantly go on about our terrorists killing civilians, now look who killed civilians, and helped the killing
"In 1965 the CIA launched an effort to identify and kill civilians who actively supported the Communist cause. In June 1968 the effort was named the Phoenix Program. Financed by the CIA, the Phoenix Program led to the deaths of at least 20,000 PLAF supporters or suspected supporters. Vietnamese mercenaries in the pay of the CIA assassinated many of these civilians. "
Now you see, why is osama bin ladin so bad? i think he's the baby, america is his daddy
Now another interisting fact, they said chiraq sold weapons to iraq,, whoa, wait a sec, i amnt mistaken when i read that it was america who supplied him with his chemical weapons, which fox likes to constantly bable "he gased his own civilians", yadi yadi, the propoganda machine dosnt again. I wonder how many americans believe this shit
FACT! no evidense on iraq having weapons of mas destruction, nor bio, chemichal is in existant, otherwise they would have revealed it, ow ive heard it before, releasing the proof is gona help sadam hide it
Anyway, fox news employes a bunch of immature kids to present the news, cmon ppl they act like children laughing and being sarcastic, typical girls in 3rd grade (actually the girls would have grown outa it). They never speak politically orientated, never, compare them to the people of bbc, cnn, al jazeerah, so on, there nothing! i mean it watgch and judge for yourself. If anyone is interisted to know 96-99% here dislike america, as in iraq, as in the muslim world, and americans like those on fox news are the cause, i believe the anti american stuff will plague europe, and the asian peninsula, africa.. so on...
some extra cia related stuff (all of it from encarta)
But in Angola, Mozambique, and some other countries, the CIA’s covert backing of rebel forces produced only stalemates that left thousands of civilians dead and wounded.
The CIA’s sometimes ruthless tactics in Nicaragua became controversial, and in one embarrassing episode, a CIA contract employee instructed the contras on how to assassinate people on their own side, then blame the atrocity on the enemy Sandinista army.
After its creation by Truman, the CIA quickly became a key foreign policy tool for the White House. With President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s approval, the CIA conspired in the 1950s to overthrow two democratically elected governments. The motivation in each case was a desire to frustrate the expansion of Soviet political and military influence into new regions and to protect the interests of American corporations
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1) I'm glad I don't get Fox

2) It is true that the CIA supported a lot of regimes that were 'nice' for them, while commiting massmurders among their own people

3) Sadam DID use gass on the Kurdians, but that also has a nice history. America told the Kurdians that if they rebelled, America would support them. They rebelled, but America didn't give them the promised support, thus the Kurdians were being slaughtered.

4) Critisism on America is often mistaken by Americas as Anti American, which I find pathetic, but now I know how they get this view

5) Let us keep this a nice neat discussion, this discussion has mostly been brought up because of the lies our media spreads and not too much because of the conflicts, so let us not focuss on that (we already had a iraq thread )

Lastly "One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter"

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OK.

News corporations are corrupt. I don't trust a word they say.
The way they distort the truth is sickening.
Finding objective information is nearly impossible these days.


However, FOX are not the only ones.
I get Al-Jaazira, and the way they openly mock and incriminate Israel and America is amazing.

Calling us thieves, opressors, and such..
When it comes to the least bit of conflict, they always attack and accuse the other side.

That is the way of things. I don't think it'll ever change.
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OK.

News corporations are corrupt. I don't trust a word they say.
The way they distort the truth is sickening.
Finding objective information is nearly impossible these days.


However, FOX are not the only ones.
I get Al-Jaazira, and the way they openly mock and incriminate Israel and America is amazing.

Calling us thieves, opressors, and such..
When it comes to the least bit of conflict, they always attack and accuse the other side.

That is the way of things. I don't think it'll ever change.
i see, you know arabic? just for your information, al jazeerah is a very normal channel, brings up the news, the only special thing is it calles the people who go and fight israel and die martyys, i know your lieng because of you not know arabic& the fact that it is a normal channel, you want somthing very anti isralie, its manar, but i really really am being honest when i say they are not as bad as fox, seriously, they dont make up pathetic, VERY VERY PATHETIC LIES TO MAKE OTHERS LOOK BAD
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Lastly "One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter"
Never did believe that actualy.
A true freedom fighters are people fighting against an organisation, or system that is repressing them.
Terroists just go against the public in the hope of scareing govements into action.
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Press suck, they suck big time.
They hype certain stuff up to get a story, they twist facts, logic (and sometimes) the laws of physics.
The miss-edducate people, and always give a distorted viewpoint.
FOX, or, rather, the american press Iv seen are particularly bad.
They never seem to critis there govement, or give any auternate viewpoints.
Even the way they speak tends to make a mockary of very serious subjects!
I blame the media for most of the worlds problems, in many ways.

The only media I watch that is remotely good is maybe the BBC.
Allthough theres no real way of me knowing how reliable it is, I have a gut feeling.
This is mainly based on the fact they ALWAYS critis's the UK govement, and argue with polititions.
In fact, over the last few months, I cant remember one news story saying anything postive about the UK whatsoever

They still suffer from the one-sidedness problem, but then, they normal pick the opersite side the govement is on (aka the anti-bush side ).

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I did see an excelent little program on the other day detailing different methods of trying to "remove" (aka kill) sadam, other then having a war.
It was interesting, because far from being politial, it was techical.
Showing how clever the man is at protecting himself, and how hard it would be to assinate the man.
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I disagree with DF regarding what Atre said about "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

Terrorist is what most people call the enemy.
If they are not acting on behalf of the government, then they are considered as criminals, brigands and such.
Terrorist's cause can be just, (i'm not saying it is),
but if it is against the will of their enemy's, they call them terrorists.

Terrorists do what they do because that is the only thing they can do, in hope of achieving their cause. Whatever that cause may be.

Obviously the US won't call the muslim organizations "Freedom-fighters", that would be like calling themselves "Tyrants".

If someone's cause is worthy is a matter of opinion, if people fight on they're own accord for what they believe is right, it doesn't make them terrorists. they're just people with different views.

Now, it would seem as if I am nearly justifing the atrocities commited by those people, ofcourse i am not, i despise they're methods.

However, one cannot ignore that lack of choice they have. They won't to stop the domination the US has over them, and they're doing it the only way they can.

When it comes to false propagand and/or encouraging hatred, the US are no better than the so called "terrorists".
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Axx> Ya allah, don't get me started on Fox News. I remember only a few weeks ago, when the UN weapons inspectors found empty containers of some sort which hadn't been touched since back in the 80s. As soon as Fox got word of it, it was like "BREAKING NEWS - FOX AMERICA ALERT" They made such a big deal about it, saying that this was definately a reason to go to war and that this could mean that there are probably thousands of other chemical weapons nearby...yeah right. What annoyed me the most was the Fox presenter himself. He seemed to be pushing everyone into admitting that he was right and that this could mean that Iraq definately has "weapons of mass destruction." He wouldn't accept anyone elses view. Then he called up one of the former UN weapons inspectors in Iraq back and even the inspector said "Why doesn't everyone just calm down, this is nothing to go crazy about." Ignoring this, the presenter carried on pressuring him and saying that the inspectors views were similar to the Iraqi's etc. You can't expect a single fair discussion.

After that, the presenter brings in like 5 or more people into the room (all American,) and they even start saying things like, the market is going to significantly fall because of this recent finding. I didn't get to watch anymore after that since my dad told me to stay away from that channel for the rest of my life :P Fox News is inefficient as a News corporation anyway, they show the weather forcast every 2 minutes

I'd recommend BBC to anyone, they seem to be the most reliable (even though all the press is unreliable in a way) of them all. If you don't have Fox News thank yourself, and if you ever do get it then put a parental lock on it or something. Al-Jaazira may be obviously slightly biased, but they in no way lie and exaggerate matters the way corporations like Fox do.
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I disagree with DF regarding what Atre said about "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"

Terrorist is what most people call the enemy.
If they are not acting on behalf of the government, then they are considered as criminals, brigands and such.
Terrorist's cause can be just, (i'm not saying it is),
but if it is against the will of their enemy's, they call them terrorists.
Terrorists Target CILIVILIANS.
Freedom fighters dont.
Its a pretty simple difference

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If someone's cause is worthy is a matter of opinion, if people fight on they're own accord for what they believe is right, it doesn't make them terrorists
Its nothing about what they are fighting for, its simply about the target.
Both Freedom fighters and Terroriests can be fighting for good (or bad) cause's.
If they fight for a good cause but aim at cilivians, then they are still terrorists.
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All media is biased, no need to bitch about it dude.
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VERY VERY PATHETIC LIES TO MAKE OTHERS LOOK BAD
CNN is just as biased, but Fox is more conservative/Republican while CNN is liberal/democratic. And of course they will be biased, its an American news channel. I guarentee if I watched a Palestinian news channel it would be biased, as would a UK, or Austrialian, etc. No need to go all off with this thread, I think we all know the media twists info for stories.
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CNN is just as biased, but Fox is more conservative/Republican while CNN is liberal/democratic. And of course they will be biased, its an American news channel. I guarentee if I watched a Palestinian news channel it would be biased, as would a UK, or Austrialian, etc. No need to go all off with this thread, I think we all know the media twists info for stories.
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Theres bias and theres bias.
The UK media may be bias, but they rarely act on it.
The UK media is very, very gloomy.
Everything is bad, the govement is shit, nothing works,dont eat this it will kill you, yada yad yad.
If the UK media is bias at all, is because they are getting payed by the people that make anti-depressants
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a freedom fighter fights for independance, against repression as darkflame said, you cant say he no longer fights for that goal if he targets civilian, and he may be both, though he's intention is the same.

Look, cnn is far far more normal. it dosnt act like it hates anyone, it dosnt mock everyone, it dosnt shout out stuf about
"kill the iraqies" yet it argues, it brings different points of view, and it tries to get more points of view out, bbc is far more succesfull at getting other peoples points of view out, the both (cnn,bbc) dont create lies, or get 50 year old children to the stage to spread lies and propaganda? (ppl who watch fox, dont you agree?)
jj, learn to accept things, its a fact they are far more bias, and very agressive, if you noticed, anything which opposes america seems to have a link with the bad people? maybe thats why your so anti us?
Palastinean channel just brings things to increase the moral of our ppl, songs, and stuff, it just brings normal news, and by far never mentions lies, neither does al jazeerah. you cant accuse them like that, its stuiped, they didnt do that and there in no case here except on fox, you cant say "i bet your channels"
id rather see my chaqnnels present the better side of he americans, but its fox which does the opposite, it makes me hate them, it makes me believe that they are all like that, that they want nothing but our oil,and our domination, control of us... that will never happen
there may be bised news, but there are channels wich lie, liars, channels which focus on the tragedy of one side more than the other, biased. i agree that almost all channels are biased, but that up till now, and between all the 8 news channels i have, fox is both bised and liars
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DarkFlame>> Terrorists target civilians, because they cannot target military targets. Terrorist organizations are weak, and mal-equipped. They use the best way in their opinion for achieving they're goal. If war is not an option, then they resort to fear.
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DarkFlame>> Terrorists target civilians, because they cannot target military targets. Terrorist organizations are weak, and mal-equipped. They use the best way in their opinion for achieving they're goal. If war is not an option, then they resort to fear.
are you sure your israelie!? you even made a point better than i could towards the terrorists?!!?!
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