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Odysseus 2008-11-14 20:01

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 366686)
Yeah, the hexagon always amazes me.

Pretty sure thats heavily false-coloured image, but still cool.

Yeah you can fit 4 earths inside the diameter of that hexagon I hear.

The collors do seem bit weird... and also the way it looks as if it flares "upward" is weird.

Maybe the Earths pentagon will also light up in the comming weeks, tho perhaps thats just some idea sounding properble to mystics and conspiracy theorists. :p

Odysseus 2008-11-14 20:03

(Just qouting DF so the picture is on this page too.)
Sendell at work :P

Darkflame 2008-11-14 20:41

Well, obviously, its what the main power generator looks like for the planet, its a huge arc-reactor.

Odysseus 2008-11-14 20:57

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 366695)
Well, obviously, its what the main power generator looks like for the planet, its a huge arc-reactor.

It's an amazing shape...that was discoverd way back...this glow image thing seems more of a new atention seeker. I read all they did to create the "picture" was to have two infrared readings and translated it into this high contrast image. Dunno if this news is about a new event or just a new way of looking at what was already there?

Darkflame 2008-11-14 21:01

Its new that they have seen this aurora, yes.
Previously we didn't have a telescope in space able to take a decent infrared of it so we didnt know it existed.

Odysseus 2008-11-14 21:03

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 366703)
Its new that they have seen this aurora, yes.
Previously we didn't have a telescope in space able to take a decent infrared of it so we didnt know it existed.

Aw, still cool but less epic then. :P

Odysseus 2008-12-10 21:40

Well some more strong clues of the existance black holes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7774287.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/spa...ole/index.html

ChaosFish 2008-12-10 22:53

Wait, I thought the existence of black holes was a fact?

Mia 2008-12-10 23:02

As far as anything can be a fact...
*Mia drifts away into the realm of philosophy and TOK......*

ChaosFish 2008-12-10 23:06

Yes yes, you know nothing for sure except that you exist. But I thought the existence black holes was as much of a fact as the existence of galaxies.

Dino-Fly 2008-12-11 02:04

I think it might be similar to worm-holes, we believe they exist, though have little/no evidence to back it up.

Darkflame 2008-12-11 02:38

No, theres lots of (observed) evidence for black holes, theres none for wormholes.

Thats not to say black holes certainly exist, but we know something like them must be at the center of most galaxys, and something like them cause's graviational-lens effects distorting some stars behind.

Odysseus 2008-12-11 11:26

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 369791)
Yes yes, you know nothing for sure except that you exist. But I thought the existence black holes was as much of a fact as the existence of galaxies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_induction

Also we can't go to the black hole and do tests on it. But I think the clues for black holes have more ground then the clues for the big bang for example.

Why be so sure you exist? Okay it's kinda practical of cause.:p

Darkflame 2008-12-11 17:53

Its part of the definition of sentience...if you are aware of yourself, you must be something, else you couldn't be aware of that fact.

That dosnt mean you exist as you think you do, merely that you must exist as something or some form.

The Problem_of_induction applys more to entropy laws, imho.
What is quite solid observations about heat and gas's are expanded as a general rule over everything in the universe..... specifically used to argue black holes must be like this or not exist at all because things tend to be like this in terms of heat.

Odysseus 2008-12-11 20:41

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 369875)
Its part of the definition of sentience...if you are aware of yourself, you must be something, else you couldn't be aware of that fact.

That dosnt mean you exist as you think you do, merely that you must exist as something or some form.

The Problem_of_induction applys more to entropy laws, imho.
What is quite solid observations about heat and gas's are expanded as a general rule over everything in the universe..... specifically used to argue black holes must be like this or not exist at all because things tend to be like this in terms of heat.

Some proof might be more convinsing then other proof but the induction thing applies to all empirical proof. In a way you can say science is kinda based on quantety of proof. When you look the apple might fall downward a hundred million times but what about.... To question even what is taken for fact is what makes good science I think. And that is why the problem of induction is not so much a problem but frees the mind. ^_^

Darkflame 2008-12-12 04:40

Theres scales though.

We have no reason to believe the laws governing gas's will change in different areas of space or time.
Its possible, but we have not even a vague indication of that fact.

However, to look at heat and gas's and declare a rule concerning something completely different (gravity), is like two steps away, because we are inferring a rule based on what we can observe that is not only applys somewhere completely different, but also something completely different too :p

So yes, induction does apply to everything, but some things are like multi-layered inductions :p

Echomote 2008-12-12 04:42

http://digg.com/general_sciences/Sci...tly_from_brain
http://i37.tinypic.com/2pt33o1.png

ChaosFish 2008-12-12 08:43

Holy fucking what the fuck!!

Damn. Argh. This is exciting. Even Walter Bishop would be envious!

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According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people’s dreams while they sleep.
O MG~!! This better not be a joke. I have to process this information...

(someone better edit this thread's title, Mars is old news)

Odysseus 2008-12-12 13:16

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 369919)
Holy fucking what the fuck!!

Damn. Argh. This is exciting. Even Walter Bishop would be envious!


O MG~!! This better not be a joke. I have to process this information...

(someone better edit this thread's title, Mars is old news)

It sure tastes like a hoax doesn't it?
But I'll keep openminded :)
Lol this kinda application might put a lot of people out of jobs.:lol:
And if it's real I agree on the new title for the thread.

ChaosFish 2008-12-12 14:08

Everything earth-shuttering tastes like a hoax at first. It's amazing, but not against logic!

Odysseus 2008-12-12 16:42

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 369925)
Everything earth-shuttering tastes like a hoax at first. It's amazing, but not against logic!

You ever seen City of Lost Children?!:sigh:
Anyway if it works one way (output) it might also work the other way...input.

ChaosFish 2008-12-12 17:01

I haven't seen City of Lost Children. Why do you ask?

There's already been input (since sometime in 2006 iirc), where blind people can see black and white images without eyes (from a computer).

Darkflame 2008-12-12 18:08

Big difference; That was the brain learning to understand a lowres webcam. The brain did all the real work.
This is the other way around.

It really isnt anything like the press have painted it though, its not taking images from the brain in the slightest, its merely can distinguish between *already known* images that they have monitored a brain expirencing.
Its very clever, but, sadly, its no where near a dream viewer.
(especialy not as it would be unique per-person...as I understand it)

I think even a basic "true" brain image viewer is a few decades away yet.

ChaosFish 2008-12-12 18:40

Not even you can predict decades ahead... anything that can be decades ahead can surprise you and be 3 years from now... or tomorrow.

About dreams, of course feelings and stuff are a very important factor, but for me at least they are almost always very visual, like images painted to the smallest pixels.

Odysseus 2008-12-12 21:21

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 369937)
I haven't seen City of Lost Children. Why do you ask?

There's already been input (since sometime in 2006 iirc), where blind people can see black and white images without eyes (from a computer).

It's one of those "must see" movies...I am sure you will like it a lot.

And yeah our dreams are already dictated by comercials and stuff like that too...lol

But I mean maybe a new way to mess with our heads will come from this. :)

Darkflame 2008-12-13 02:19

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 369945)
Not even you can predict decades ahead... anything that can be decades ahead can surprise you and be 3 years from now... or tomorrow.

Even counting the singularity, I think its decades away :p
I cant predict that far in advance, but the current state of tech in this area isnt moving very quickly, even with this.

I think its going to be very very hard.

Especially as people seem to dream in different ways...even on the surface.
Internally I'm sure we are even more different.

Another problem is I suspect the brain cheats a lot when dreaming....I'm not sure its even going to be a real image there.
I know when dreaming I seem to see, but I'm not convienced by brain is actualy doing a full raytraced render in realtime :p

I think its most likely generating only what its paying attention too...which wont be a complete image, only disjointed components.

Maybe whats more likely is a dream recoder/playback machine that dosnt do it visualy, but straight back into your brain.
That would take a bit of tech we dont have yet, but it would solve the decodeing/encodeing problem :p

Darkflame 2008-12-21 00:23

http://gear.ign.com/articles/940/940240p1.html
http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/...918780-000.jpg

Could this be it?
Finally a decent pair of Augmented Reality glass's?

Jasiek 2008-12-21 01:41

You know I saw Crisis being played on an EeePC, via some sort of an ethernet link to a powerful PC it was installed on that calculated everything. You could have those glasses connected to some blue-tooth device that would connect via broadband to a powerful machine interpreting the reality for you.

Odysseus 2008-12-21 13:57

Star Trek : TNG - The Mind's Eye - Preview

:zombie:

Mind's Eye; the Brain relies constantly on Visual Memories

ChaosFish 2008-12-21 15:31

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 370646)
http://gear.ign.com/articles/940/940240p1.html
http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/...918780-000.jpg

Could this be it?
Finally a decent pair of Augmented Reality glass's?

The wait is killing me!
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Originally Posted by Odysseus (Post 370681)

Best room illusion I've ever seen!

Darkflame 2008-12-21 23:29

We see things relatively, not in absolutes. (unless your a sith).
http://www.digitalartform.com/archiv...ges/eChalk.jpg

The center of each cross is the same colour.
It looks blue/yellow only because of the surroundings.

I'd wager this relative site works temporarily as well as spacialy.

ChaosFish 2008-12-22 03:52

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 370725)
The center of each cross is the same colour.
It looks blue/yellow only because of the surroundings.

No fruklking whay :fool:

So our brains can do amazing special effect that will make any Photoshop work look pathetic, but we don't have a simple eye dropper tool.

Jasiek 2008-12-25 03:24

http://www.blacklightpower.com/

This looks a bit hoaxish, but I hope it's not...

Medur 2008-12-25 04:02

I've seen something quite similar to that in /. a few years ago. Couple of guys discovered a new, revolutionary energy source and founded a very promising company. Never heard of them again - so definitely a hoax. The product descriptions were also pretty similar, they never described exactly what the technology was about and how it worked.

Medur 2008-12-25 04:04

And here's a local version of the hoax.

ChaosFish 2008-12-25 10:08

Every time some people finds a new energy source the people in power shuts them down because it would "hurt global economy". This actually happened in reality and not just in fiction.

For example. Some guy from Saudi Arabia (I think) discovered a way to save a lot energy, and the government paid him money to claim all rights and make him shut up, and then they kept it in a safe and not letting anyone use it because it would hurt their income. And I wouldn't be surprised if the happened in many many other countries from all around the world. If I ever find out a new energy source - I'll keep it to myself until I suddenly mass distribute the formula on YouTube or something... I'll show 'em.

Medur 2008-12-25 13:11

It isn't difficult to make the details public and make them spread fast if you really do find some sort of highly efficient energy source. If you don't know how to do that I'd doubt your intelligence to develop something so incredible in the first place. Also, don't you think there'd be just as many companies and 'people in power' interested in sponsoring this as there'd be in shutting it down?

I really don't think the fact these things never progress is explained by conspiracies etc. I think they're just mostly silly hoaxes. Some of them are money-making hoaxes, and some of them are just existing technology that was reinvented by somebody unaware.

Jasiek 2008-12-25 13:36

Putting the site itself aside, I do know of a real conspiracy ;) The company that created and patented lithium-ion(I think it was these)batteries was bought out by some big oil company like Exxon, and are barred from making bigger batteries then laptop size. So now if you want to build an electric car you need to buy hundreds of laptop batteries to keep it going.

My dad's company makes emergency sirens, like the air-strike ones. It is an impossibility to buy any high-tech batteries in large enough sizes, and we looked everywhere...

Zerath^ 2008-12-25 15:54

Yes Ive heard about that one too, so pathetic how far companies can go to prevent us form getting a better form of energy :p

Darkflame 2008-12-25 17:03

Its not all Hoaxs; Some of it is people fooling themselfs too.

Theres some small levels of ambient energy around us in various forms.
For instance, any child can make a crystal radio set....it dosnt require battaries...it takes a small current from the radiowaves around us.

I suspect a good deal of these people that think they found free energy are just making a mistake and they will find their magic new energy source goes when they try to scale it up.


I dont buy conspiracy theorys for this stuff, as Medur says, its easy to make this stuff public.
Not to mention the fact free energy benifits the world...even those working in current energy projects.

I do believe though, many things are suppressed in terms of efficiency boasts. Not conspiracys, just "public but not allowed to make it"

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Putting the site itself aside, I do know of a real conspiracy The company that created and patented lithium-ion(I think it was these)batteries was bought out by some big oil company like Exxon, and are barred from making bigger batteries then laptop size. So now if you want to build an electric car you need to buy hundreds of laptop batteries to keep it going.
Thats EXACTLY why the current patent laws are messed up.
They should never be used to prevent innovations, only to ensure people that invent something gets royalities.

ChaosFish 2008-12-25 17:17

Of course it's easy to make it public. But most people who discover such an enormous thing won't just make it public, they will try to figure out how to make it out in an organized way. When someone up there finds out they can just send an agent to assassinate them and destroy all evidence...

Perhaps I watch too many movies :p

Darkflame 2008-12-25 17:41

Yes, you do :p

Odysseus 2008-12-25 20:15

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 370945)
Yes, you do :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Sloot

ChaosFish 2008-12-25 20:24

"Despite the impossibility of such a technique"?! Narrow minded wikipedians.

I actually thought of a way to make such thing possible some time ago, nice to see other people thought of it too. Laugh, but I'm actually serious.

(And no, I'm not telling you how, I intend to try and make something out of it. Unless I die by a heart attack first...)

Echomote 2008-12-25 21:30

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 370952)
"Despite the impossibility of such a technique"?! Narrow minded wikipedians.

I actually thought of a way to make such thing possible some time ago, nice to see other people thought of it too. Laugh, but I'm actually serious.

(And no, I'm not telling you how, I intend to try and make something out of it. Unless I die by a heart attack first...)

Then why haven't you done anything about it already?

ChaosFish 2008-12-25 22:16

I intend to. But it requires more work.

Darkflame 2008-12-26 00:02

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Originally Posted by Odysseus (Post 370950)

Yes, the movie is online here;
http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
:D

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Laugh, but I'm actually serious.
Theres certainly better compression possible, but not to that ratio.

For instance, in theory a movie could work and reproduced like a 3d scene, allowing assets to be reused. Textures could be factual compressed.
Would be incredibly hard to do, but thats theorticaly possible and might reduce size by a 10th, or even 100th.

But 8kb? Err...well...the movie script might fit in that :p

ChaosFish 2008-12-26 00:11

My idea has all huge files compressed to 8kb or even less regardless of their content. I know it probably seems like total bullshit without me telling more about it, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be viable.

LBAWinOwns 2008-12-26 02:15

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 370976)
My idea has all huge files compressed to 8kb or even less regardless of their content. I know it probably seems like total bullshit without me telling more about it, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be viable.

No, that's impossible and I can tell you why:

assume you instead of claiming being able to compress all files to 8 kB you can compress everything to 4 numbers, for example, when you compress the number '1234567' you compress it down to '1234' or something.

Now, if you decompress '1234' you should get '1234567' for compression and decompression to work. Now , there are almost 10^7 numbers with 7 numbers, how can you have the amount of combinations of four numbers ( = almost 10^4) cover decompression to ALL the combinations with 7 numbers. Remember when you decompress a 4-digit number, there can only be one output, and the 10^4 combinations are all unique and can't be decompressed back to more than one number.

ChaosFish 2008-12-26 02:19

There's a box. Think outside of it.


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