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Darkflame 2005-03-17 05:17

The Hi-tech thread (Hoverboards,slowmos and Spaceeeeee)
 
I saw this recently and was amazed:
http://www.plustech.fi/WalkingVideo.html
(warning, 3 streaming quicktimes...)


http://www.plustech.fi/images/ISOT/2xWalker.jpg
We can actualy build that stuff O_o
I was impressed enough enough with the lastest version of Asimo, but this is darn cool.

Anyone else got any featuristic tech videos/links?
Things that make you go "wow".

Jasiek 2005-03-17 09:01

http://www.androidworld.com/

this site is totally about robots, check the buttons on the left.

DedalousDiggle 2005-03-17 09:16

Now I'm gonna have nightmares about giant grasshoppers. :(

But yes, I'm impressed with these robots. Lol, and they're made by the John Deere tractor company. :D

Reek 2005-03-17 09:45

If those things move like i imagine they do, then yowza 0_0
That is some fancy stuff.

Darkflame 2005-03-17 10:40

Yes, they havnt got videos of them "eating" a tree, but thats even more impressive.
The thing at the end can grab it, rotate and shred it in one seamless move.

Jasiek ~ Chears, nice site!
~~~~~~

http://world.honda.com/news/2004/image/c041215_1_l.jpg



Probably the most famous, but still pretty good:
http://world.honda.com/HDTV/ASIMO/
(Videos of ASIMO new version, includeing a "run")

Incidently, I do worry about the fact they have made him run before hard-codeing the 3 laws into the positronic brain.....



And hows this:

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/662

Augmented Reality technology comeing along well.
I have always believed this to be the future of not just all computer games, but just about every other technology too.
A virtual world overlaid onto a physic one could replace almost 50% of, well, everything single thing we use....

Think about it. The implications for having a partical worldwide AR system are so mind-boggling.
And this is fully do-able in our lifetime.

Darkflame 2005-03-17 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anakin
If those things move like i imagine they do, then yowza 0_0
That is some fancy stuff.

Watch the videos god-damit-jim!

It took me a full hour to convience myself it wasnt some elaborate CGI scam.

Aule 2005-03-17 11:17

now these guys got the hang of it:

http://www.geocities.com/legalhistor...rims/amish.jpg

Darkflame 2005-03-17 13:35

umm...unless those are genticaly enginered horses that eat plastic and breath greanhouse gas's Im not impressed :p


And please dont miss out on seeing the AR stuff above, its amazing.
I got another demo video somewhere showing how you can work out positional data in real time.
We really are 80% of the way there with technology....we just need it small,light and portable....then mass produce it for the whole planet.

Cyberg-Ares 2005-03-17 17:42

JESUS CHRIST DF! Is that real?! (the second video)... Well I suppose we now know what the Nintendo Revolution is :D

Bot13 2005-03-17 17:45

I know a guy who works for a dutch TV program.. It's called BNN, and they had an item about a year ago about exactly this robot. They went to the place where this robot it, and he even took a ride in it :D

the_angry_monkey 2005-03-17 18:14

Watching the Asimo is very scary - cos you think it's a cheesy Sci-Fi extra or something and then you remember it's actually a robot...Wow now that sends a shiver down my spine.

As for total immersion (they do know it abbreviates to TIT right?) it is very cool but I cant see any real benefit - I guess (no sound on my work PC) that you could only interact by looking at a screen. The real revolution must be in creating 3d real world representations that interact with your brain - come on porn industry here's one for you to push :D

Bomba! 2005-03-17 18:37

Augmented reality, holy cow, this is just awesome.

Darkflame 2005-03-17 21:16

Quote:

As for total immersion (they do know it abbreviates to TIT right?) it is very cool but I cant see any real benefit - I guess (no sound on my work PC) that you could only interact by looking at a screen. The real revolution must be in creating 3d real world representations that interact with your brain - come on porn industry here's one for you to push :D
Then let me open your mind.

1 pair of AR glass's can replace all these items

TVs,
Computer Moniters,
Radios,
Phones,
Callenders,
Clocks,
Posters,
Maps,
Nightvision,
Personal notebooks/reminders,

I could go on forever!
The potential for this technology is simply amazing.

Hows this for a simple one:
Youd never get lost, AR could make a giant arrow hover above where you want to go, or you could signal a friend by having a giant beam of light flash into the sky.
Heck, you could write on the sky.

(the whole thing could work like IRC channels, to stop things getting cluttered)

AR combines the real with the virtual, it gives us another layer ontop of our own world.
Anything that dosnt have to physicaly be touched could be replaced!
The consquencs of AR would be.....well, I dont think my brain or knowledge could comprehend the effect it would have.
But it would be big.


We have the technology;

Motion tracking (http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~ajd/Movies/kitchen.mp4.avi ~ Big, but it shows you how it works excelently )

VR glass's (projection based probably the best),
Powerfull mobil computers,
Loads of wireless comms methods,
GPS,

Combine those existing technologys into a cheap, portable, comfortable unit and you probably have the most amazing device ever created.

GPS is about the only thing that needs to get better (accuracy isnt good enough), but its happening right now. The europe replacement for GPS is ten times more accurate..which is enough.

Darkflame 2005-03-17 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberg-Ares
JESUS CHRIST DF! Is that real?! (the second video)... Well I suppose we now know what the Nintendo Revolution is :D

Things come in stages.
Give me a gyroscopic controller with a screen and its a good start for AR.

Dont be too optimistic, true AR would need to be cheap, light and afforable.
For that to work, it needs to come in stages, with each stage being a cool product that helps pay for the next stage.

I have high hopes Nintendo will take us at least a small step of the way there.
(And lets not even speculate on AR Pokemon battles.....)

Cyberg-Ares 2005-03-17 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Things come in stages.
Give me a gyroscopic controller with a screen and its a good start for AR.

Dont be too optimistic, true AR would need to be cheap, light and afforable.
For that to work, it needs to come in stages, with each stage being a cool product that helps pay for the next stage.

I have high hopes Nintendo will take us at least a small step of the way there.
(And lets not even speculate on AR Pokemon battles.....)

Just kidding.

I suppose the Gyroscopic controller is easily the one thing everyone can agree on, that the N5 will have, since Nintendo has invested so much in that technology and havn't created anything that uses it except Kirbt's tilt'n'tumble, a game I would truly like to try.
Actually, seeing as Nintendo has reserved the rights for "SOME" kind of new way of looking at your screen, I suppose AR is to much out of the question actually.

Darkflame 2005-03-17 22:37

Actualy, tilt'n'tumble uses a primative tilt sensor...no more advance then a tiny marble and some contacts :p
Gyros have 3 axis and amazing sensitivity by comarpsion.

No it isnt out of the way at all...I just think it will happen slowly.


BTW, Nintendo DS £55!!!
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9h-70-ckm.html

Now thats high tech at an amazing price.
(clearing for the new coloured models I guese...but who cares about paintwork?)

SpaceGuitarist 2005-03-18 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
I saw this recently and was amazed:
http://www.plustech.fi/WalkingVideo.html
(warning, 3 streaming quicktimes...)

We can actualy build that stuff O_o
I was impressed enough enough with the lastest version of Asimo, but this is darn cool.

Anyone else got any featuristic tech videos/links?
Things that make you go "wow".

i didnt go wow when looking at it, i mean, its a LAME and SLOW machine that seems pretty useless for anything else than "woodchewing", and even then, a strong guy with an axe is more efficient?

if im wrong please correct me o_O

Darkflame 2005-03-18 05:22

Umm...Id like to see you beat that machine with an axe.
Its at least 10 times faster.

Then you got the problem of MOVEING the tree....

Theres no way a normal truck or lorry could get into/out of up/down the slopes and tarrain that thing is doing easily.

*pauses*
*rational talk leaves head*

WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT ITS A GIANT WALKING ROBOT FOR FRELLS SAKE!!!
GIANT WALKING ROBOTS ARE COOL.
PERIOD.

Jasiek 2005-03-18 08:47

Their not cool, their super, mega, hiper awesome }-)

the_angry_monkey 2005-03-18 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Then let me open your mind.

1 pair of AR glass's can replace all these items

TVs,
Computer Moniters,
Radios,
Phones,
Callenders,
Clocks,
Posters,
Maps,
Nightvision,
Personal notebooks/reminders,

I


I see the potential in these items but I have 2 major reservations for its usefulness.

1) It is largely limited by the room you are in, you could create a realistic game world in your living room but you still dont pysically run around in it.

2) There is still no sensation - no real sense of touch smell etc.

TIT is a great idea but I feel it can only be a step on the way and not the ultimnate goal of the games industry.

DedalousDiggle 2005-03-18 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Umm...Id like to see you beat that machine with an axe.
Its at least 10 times faster.

Then you got the problem of MOVEING the tree....

Theres no way a normal truck or lorry could get into/out of up/down the slopes and tarrain that thing is doing easily.

*pauses*
*rational talk leaves head*

WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT ITS A GIANT WALKING ROBOT FOR FRELLS SAKE!!!
GIANT WALKING ROBOTS ARE COOL.
PERIOD.

Amen. :p

I think this is how the imperial walkers started...

Darkflame 2005-03-18 19:56

Yes O_O

Quote:

1) It is largely limited by the room you are in, you could create a realistic game world in your living room but you still dont pysically run around in it.
Who needs a room? ^_^
It dosnt need exteria sensors, it can work with GPS, or as my other link shows, fully by camera-data positioning.

Half the point of AR is to leave a room with it.
Walking down a street with AR has the potential for so much usefull stuff.
Want directions? Follow the arrows in the sky.
What details on a local building? pull them up out of thin air.
The non-gameing apps are big.

As for gameing, I see it being blended with the real world more.
Purhapes dedicated gameing buildings, or fields.
Gamers will get exercise :D :D
But other games would be simpler to do.
Pokemon battles could be done almost anywhere, for instance.
Or LightSaber battles. (ok, youd need a pen-like device with gyros, but thats no biggy)
^_^
Or maybe shotting eachover with the lazer guns or whatever.

You are right we could never touch/feel items. (yet)
But not everything needs that.

Really, the potential for AR extends to replace ANYTHING we dont need to physicaly touch.

Materilism could end in the most unexpected way possible.
Would people stop careing about visual apperences when its all just a vial ontop of this reality? Why buy expensive cloaths when you can program your own avatar to look like anything.
People would just go for comfort I think.

Its an interesting question really just how much would change.

Games are cool with AR, but its infintely more important to soceity imo.

SpaceGuitarist 2005-03-19 05:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Umm...Id like to see you beat that machine with an axe.
Its at least 10 times faster.

Then you got the problem of MOVEING the tree....

Theres no way a normal truck or lorry could get into/out of up/down the slopes and tarrain that thing is doing easily.

*pauses*
*rational talk leaves head*

WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT ITS A GIANT WALKING ROBOT FOR FRELLS SAKE!!!
GIANT WALKING ROBOTS ARE COOL.
PERIOD.

ahhh yes.. cool..


but its not giant enough, it seems pretty small for me :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Really, the potential for AR extends to replace ANYTHING we dont need to physicaly touch.

WTF

that... changes.. everything :eek:

no!! i dont want that reality!!! i want the good ol' bean-with-bacon lifestyle with good old solid trees and real people and real beauty and real pleasure! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by DedalousDiggle
I think this is how the imperial walkers started...

lol

i see something... something baad... reaally bad. :p

Darkflame 2005-03-19 06:15

Quote:

no!! i dont want that reality!!! i want the good ol' bean-with-bacon lifestyle with good old solid trees and real people and real beauty and real pleasure! :D
But, bizare as it sounds, it would end materilism.
Who would care about how stuff looked any more when we could change it at a touch of a button?
I think people would stop careing about shallow things when we see how easily they can be swapped and changed.

As for enviromental impact...I see huge benifits.
Because this device would replace so many industarys, we should have more space avaible for other stuff, like parks and such.

In fact, the gameing culture might premote more parks and wildlife!
If your going to play major AR games, you need a field dont you? :D
Running around a forrest virtualy shotting eachover...or pretending to light-saber speeders as they zoom past....or sneaking about MGS3 style.

Gamers would start getting excercise :D

SpaceGuitarist 2005-03-19 22:09

... and then, one day, we will be so much into that, that we will live in pods and connect ourselves to that wonderful reality where you dont need space, so why care to move your real body? then new generations would get so involved into it that themselves dont know that they are in an illusion world.. *matrix movie starts*





:D

Reek 2005-03-19 22:52

A small prediction ^_^:

The drugs of the future will be VR programs, people sick of reality will seek to escape into a world of their own, which they will never want to leave.
Eventually they will die of hunger or something, if they don't get over the addiction in time.

---

I must say, VR sounds tempting, it only takes a bit of imagination to realize the infinite potential. I hope I'll live to see some interesting developments in this field.

Darkflame 2005-03-19 23:50

Yes theres lots of storys sci-fi about people liveing in VR and then dieing of hunger.

But thats kinda the great thing about AR...its a safty net, you still in the real world, mearly with a virtual world on top. :)
Kinda like "Reality+"

Of course..there are still dangers....murder could be done by setting up a virtual bridge for someone to walk accross that dosnt really exist....or all manor of nasty "tricks". :-/

Overall though, its a world i look forward to liveing in.
Even the annoying things would be fun.

Imagine a giant spam messager hovering in the sky. Lift up your gyrostylus and POW! Blast it into a million pieces!
(of course, it would really be blocking it from your AR "channel" and just visualy looking like it exploded, but still....)

the_angry_monkey 2005-03-21 18:49

On the theme of Gyroscopic technology (I had to look it up cos I wasn't really sure how it would help) I found this http://www.gyration.com/intl/uk/pr-nintendo_uk.htm which is OLD NEWS but quite interesting to read and strengthens the umour that Revolution will be a real break from exisiting control methods

StarmanDX 2005-03-21 19:12

That's it, Mr. Hat! Gyration!
http://media.southparkstudios.com/me...1/image_09.gif

Cyberg-Ares 2005-03-21 21:07

Great episode, although I hope that's not gonna be the N5 controlller. I have a delicate ass...

Darkflame 2005-03-21 23:28

Quote:

"The company has developed GyroPoint Technology, a unique method by which an inertial sensor detects natural hand motions to move a cursor or graphic on a television screen or monitor"
great, Nintendos next console is going to be ripped out of minority report :p

Bushmeister 2005-03-21 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarmanDX

XD

That thing is plain just disturbing when you see it "in action" though.

Jasiek 2005-04-05 00:55

2 Attachment(s)
Look what Toyota made - more COOL walking robots! YAAAAY!:D
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/robot...nit-026866.php

http://news.com.com/Photos+Tech+wond...ml?tag=st.next


[Edit]
:stupid: That woman is wearing the dumest outfit I've ever seen... :stupid:

hobmoblin 2005-04-05 13:16

Shweet, I want one!!

Darkflame 2005-06-07 22:42

For those interested in Augmented Reality, lots of good stuff here:

http://155.69.54.110/research_videos.htm

Its comeing folks.
Its comeing :)

I really recomending checking out both the Pacman and the "touch space" demo.

Touch-space especialy shows how cool the system is.
Looks like a bizare game they have developed using the real world, augmented reality and full virtual reality all blended together.

Homeless 2005-06-07 23:57

<useless_information>
As soon as I saw this thread having a new post, I actually jumped up and down in my chair and shouting for myself; "Yay, darkflame hi-tech update!" ^^
</useless_information>

Darkflame 2005-06-08 02:51

lol :D

Seriously though, http://155.69.54.110/MEDIA/all%20vid...ouch-space.mpg is really a sign of things to come.

Homeless 2005-06-08 22:04

Oh yes, I saw that. Truely remarkable.
Really makes your mind wander off and imagine what is to come.

Darkflame 2005-06-08 23:25

Indeed.
And yet...most people still dont know, understand, or care.
Funny really.
Pieces of technology all falling into place.

More rapidly then even the developers of the technology realise. (eg, the guy that was in charge of the group that made that stuff was interviewed and said. "of course, augmented reality couldnt be done for less then $10,000 at the moment..too expensive for the average person").

He dosnt know the Gizmondo has AR games and its just £130-200 :p

ChaosFish 2005-06-09 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
lol :D

Seriously though, http://155.69.54.110/MEDIA/all%20vid...ouch-space.mpg is really a sign of things to come.

Hey that's cool!

hobmoblin 2005-06-09 21:24

They stupid geeky voice put me off of it. Alot. But it seems really really rad.

Double-J 2005-06-09 22:36

Popular Mechanics 2025 issue. What life will be like in 2025.

They talk about military technology, which is funny I think. If they've got it in their magazine, you know stuff twice as good is in development or in the planning stages, if not even in use.

Homeless 2005-06-09 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
Indeed.
And yet...most people still dont know, understand, or care.
Funny really.
Pieces of technology all falling into place.

More rapidly then even the developers of the technology realise. (eg, the guy that was in charge of the group that made that stuff was interviewed and said. "of course, augmented reality couldnt be done for less then $10,000 at the moment..too expensive for the average person").

He dosnt know the Gizmondo has AR games and its just £130-200 :p

Oh yes, agreed.

Oh, he said that? That's funny, even I knew about the Gizmondo AR games.
They should try to be more updated when it comes to their field. ^^
My oh my.

I'm considering to buy a Gizmondo because of all this talk about AR games, but it's turning me off that the Gizmondo doesn't have a touchscren.
I can't live without touchscreens at handhelds :O

Darkflame 2005-06-09 23:48

hehe :D

Well, my guese is;

2010 ~ Augmented reality common place amongst some game devices (first signs are today: The Gizmondo)
2015 ~ AR used primarly in all main games systems
2020 ~ AR developed small, portable, and for high-end users. (Like a top of the range pc). Basic functions only, no generic virtual network.
2050 ~ Full AR virtual world ontop of the existing one. AR is essiential as a car. Devices
sold cheaply.
2060 ~ Internet evolves into a human hive-mind like device. Allowing the mass human inteligence to become an exteligence. Anyone, anytime, can submit or solve fractions of problems...combined it becomes almost a "inventing machine".
2075 ~ "gist" invented: Think of like T2-style liquid metal, only made from small tiny spheres and dust like. Rearranges into any shape required. Combined with the AR network, this substance can make virtual objects seem solid.


And that, folks, is the future.

ChaosFish 2005-06-24 19:28

Remember these flying cars from The Longest Journey?

Looks like we're gonna have hover jetpacks and flying cars in the current lifetime!! :D
http://www.moller.com/skycar/

Bot13 2005-06-24 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosFish
Remember these flying cars from The Longest Journey?

Looks like we're gonna have hover jetpacks and flying cars in the current lifetime!! :D
http://www.moller.com/skycar/

Hey! I saw that thing on TV a few days ago! It was on Discovery Channel - a program that went about how we are getting closer and closer to the robots and things in Starwars. :)

Cyberg-Ares 2005-06-24 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkflame
hehe :D

Well, my guese is;

2010 ~ Augmented reality common place amongst some game devices (first signs are today: The Gizmondo)
2015 ~ AR used primarly in all main games systems
2020 ~ AR developed small, portable, and for high-end users. (Like a top of the range pc). Basic functions only, no generic virtual network.
2050 ~ Full AR virtual world ontop of the existing one. AR is essiential as a car. Devices
sold cheaply.
2060 ~ Internet evolves into a human hive-mind like device. Allowing the mass human inteligence to become an exteligence. Anyone, anytime, can submit or solve fractions of problems...combined it becomes almost a "inventing machine".
2075 ~ "gist" invented: Think of like T2-style liquid metal, only made from small tiny spheres and dust like. Rearranges into any shape required. Combined with the AR network, this substance can make virtual objects seem solid.


And that, folks, is the future.


I want to be very old! But why's it called gist?

Darkflame 2005-06-25 01:58

Dunno, once read a sci-fi story were they called it that.

Lots of people have had the same idea though.
Recently New Scientist had an issue about theorys discribeing how it would be made. Its all not just theorticaly possible, but praticaly possible too.

Currently though, each partical of the stuff is about 10cm's big :D
Not exactly the idle size.
We need to shrink that to, like, 1mm then we would have something usefull.
(oh, and a way to make billions of the stuff fairly easily)

Jasiek 2006-02-16 00:24

http://images.google.pl/images?svnum...22&btnG=Szukaj

I wan't that car ;(
The GMC "PAD".

ChaosFish 2006-02-16 23:54

There's only one hi-tech thing I'm waiting for: V fucking R.
Just plug the thing to your brain, and then every imaginable thing will be possible. You also will be able to meet people online with it, and it will seem real-life.

...I want to live there.

INVENT IT GOD DAMMIT!!


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