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Darkflame 2007-12-05 13:10

Radiation from phones cant directly do anything to cells. Its just the wrong frequency.
Heating can damage cell's, but it has to be a lot.
Theres also, always, the possibility of other undiscovered mechcanisms to which can cause damage, but no correlation has been found yet. (and when your talking of undiscovered ways, it equaly applys to most technology or food we use)

That said, mobile phones do emit/recieve regular singals in order for the cell network to work at all. Unless they are turned off, they will be in occasionaly communication with the base tower.
(in order to recieve calls they need to know what towers are near you, else nothing would reach you :p)

LBAWinOwns 2007-12-05 17:52

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Originally Posted by Jasiek (Post 337862)
I guess evolution will somehow do the rest.

Guess again. I began to write arguments against it, but I think see why that's necessary, it's obvious what you say doesn't makes sense in our situation. It'll take at least thousands of years before we can see some progress or prove anything about any progress.

Besides, if radiation hurts us and at the same time increase sexual activity, the effect will be that the ratio of people getting harmed by radiation will increase.

ChaosFish 2007-12-05 21:03

Not really related to what Jasiek said, but this reminds me of something I heard someone saying once: "if you throw all the people in the world into space, eventually they'll evolve to survive without oxygen"

That's extreme optimism, I think :p

Darkflame 2007-12-06 10:09

Evolution can work in jumps, but not that big a jump.

Purhapes if you starved all the planet of oxygen by, say, 80% there will be a handfull of the 6.5 billion of us that survive.
Then if you leave those to bread for a thousand years, and repeat the process. You might get people that can survive on extremely low oxygen levels.
Dont think you could ever get no oxygen. (or at least, no gas of somesort...maybe we could evolve a switch)

Unless your batman...
http://shortpacked.com/comics/20050131a.gif


In general evolution can work fast, but only if theres also a huge number of people dieing too :p

ChaosFish 2007-12-06 11:34

Actually, with enough evolution there won't be a need for oxygen. If we can make machines that can convert one element to another (that's how they make Oxygen tanks for astronauts, so I've heard), then it should also be possible for biological machines.

Of course evolution, in the traditional sense of the word, doesn't work that fast.

However, evolution in the non-traditional sense can work much faster.
With enough evolution, a biological heredity can evolve to be so aware of its surroundings - to the point where it is actually capable of calculating the exact way to better itself with almost no need at all for trial and error.

Or in two words: Humans, Science.

Darkflame 2007-12-06 16:47

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Actually, with enough evolution there won't be a need for oxygen. If we can make machines that can convert one element to another (that's how they make Oxygen tanks for astronauts, so I've heard),
nope,still just presurised gas.
We can, however, recovera lot of the wasted oxygen, as we breath out about 70% of what we take in.

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However, evolution in the non-traditional sense can work much faster.
With enough evolution, a biological heredity can evolve to be so aware of its surroundings - to the point where it is actually capable of calculating the exact way to better itself with almost no need at all for trial and error.

Or in two words: Humans, Science.
Indeed.
We have already influenced plant and animal evolution by crossbreading and selection.
It will be a long time before its accepted or applied for direct human maniplation of our genetics on a large scale.
But it will happen.
In fact I'll see many people playing with their genes,and others playing it safe.

In many ways we will get a meta-evolution. Those genetic changes that fail will not reproduce,and others will be put off trying.
Those that suceed will encorage others.

As long as everyone dosnt try the same things at the same time, it should be fine.

ChaosFish 2007-12-06 17:20

Yes.
In my (mostlikely controversial) view, even if we eliminate our own species altogether and create a much different but stronger species, we still win and it's still valid to say we evolved. Most importantly it will be a huge progress to our one true family, Bio. We're just a step in the way.

I think about what Damon Lindelof (who probably wrote a lot of my favorite quotes, come to think about it) said, "denial is always the first step of grief".

Humanity is currently at denial. There aren't many people who see the huge change humanity is really going through right now, how unprecedented it is. But looking back, we're all gonna say "How could we not predict that?".
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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 337951)
nope,still just presurised gas.

Ah, ok. But it's still theoretically (practically?) possible to convert elements, right?

Darkflame 2007-12-06 19:31

not at the moment.
Mostly we need partical accelerators to do that, alllthough one element can decay into another if it isnt stable.

Quote:

Yes.
In my (mostlikely controversial) view, even if we eliminate our own species altogether and create a much different but stronger species, we still win and it's still valid to say we evolved. Most importantly it will be a huge progress to our one true family, Bio. We're just a step in the way.
nah, we will still stay the same species, we are too fond of sex :p
But we could split if some of us get too different.

Jasiek 2007-12-08 17:58

The Sarcos Exo-skeleton

I bet you could reload the batteries thanks to kinetics, human movement would move small generators, that load the battery for that beauty.



Sheksay robot, mrrrau + crappy russian pop ;/

Funneh running robot.

ChaosFish 2007-12-08 18:09

Wow, that is amazing!!

It's a pity the first thing they would do with it will be war related.

Jasiek 2007-12-08 18:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5O6ik1Jr6E

And he can jump! :D

Well, it surely won't make more wars, just less victims on A. the soldier side, and B. the civilian side, since soldiers will have more time to react and choose targets precisely.

Oh, and we have to be ready when the aliens finally come to harvest us as slaves and steal our oceans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys


Stuff like this makes me wanna live there, in Japan...


Plen - The Sporty Robot

Jasiek 2007-12-16 22:26

This is big! Scientists trap light in nano-soup!


Portable Modular Flash Drive HDD Concept Offers Snap Away Memory Chunks

ChaosFish 2007-12-16 23:03

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Originally Posted by Jasiek (Post 338982)

Wow, I liked reading this, it reminded me of Half-Life :D

Jasiek 2007-12-17 02:17

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 338988)
Wow, I liked reading this, it reminded me of Half-Life :D

Yeah I know, all that talk in there gives it a very sci-fi feel. Before our very own eyes relatively understandable technology turns into magic... soon computers and their memory will probably be opaque crystals.

That's all so strange actually, almost no sci-fi movie shows humans having technology like that in the near future, it's always a property of some other "very advanced race". Ha!, a time when science outran the science fiction.

Darkflame 2007-12-19 11:41

Yes, happens more often then you expect though.
eg. In star trek they once encountered a race with an "advanced ion-drive system"
OMG Gosh! We already have that -_-
Also, in TNG (what 2400?) they still havnt solved Fermats Last Therom, yet we did a few years back.

Anyway, typical from me, more AR! :

http://www.mvs.net/index.html

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Well, it surely won't make more wars, just less victims on A. the soldier side, and B. the civilian side, since soldiers will have more time to react and choose targets precisely
Assumeing the targets are picked correctly.
The problem is seldom the technology itself. Modern missles are incredibly reliable and accurate too, but it dosnt stop the fuck-ups at the human end.

ChaosFish 2007-12-19 13:32

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Originally Posted by Darkflame (Post 339246)
Anyway, typical from me, more AR! :

http://www.mvs.net/index.html

Ooooh, Donnie Darko :D :D

Jasiek 2008-01-05 02:42

A cross-breed between a helicopter and a hovercraft.

ChaosFish 2008-01-05 02:47

Uhm, just to see if I got it right:

Is this a prototype of a real flying saucer?!

If so: OMG!! :eek:

Jasiek 2008-01-05 14:19

Well I don't know, it's all just still aerodynamics, but it's damn close :D.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/21/m...to-production/

That thing is also slick.

Oh and, build your own hoverboard-plans are in here.

ChaosFish 2008-01-05 15:06

Can you tell me since when hovercraft stopped being science fiction and became real?

Jasiek 2008-01-05 15:12

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 340756)
Can you tell me since when hovercraft stopped being science fiction and became real?

Hovercraft?? The 60's? :D I made one myself, from an old Styrofoam meat tray and a hair-dryer engine, my dog hated it.


http://en.wikivisual.com/images/7/7d/USN_hovercraft.jpg


http://www.hellas.org/military/navy/images/zubr-2.jpg

ChaosFish 2008-01-05 15:15

Oh, those things are called hovercrafts? I guess what I had in mind was stuff like cars without wheels hovering above the ground :p

Jasiek 2008-01-05 15:21

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Originally Posted by ChaosFish (Post 340761)
Oh, those things are called hovercrafts? I guess what I had in mind was stuff like cars without wheels hovering above the ground :p

Oh, well then I guess also the 60's, for instance the harrier program started in hovering discs and stuff like that. But it's all just aerodynamics and engines pointed downwards... I'd like an anti-gravity device...

Darkflame 2008-01-05 15:28

Unfortunately, if it is possible to make anti-gravity divices they almost certainly will consume vastly more energy then other methods of flight.

Huge magnetic superconducting spinning discs are supposed to reduce gravity....by an absolutely tiny amount...and the results are disputed.

I think a better bet would be to develop strong/light enough materials to hold a vacuum.
Helium floats as its less dense then air, so therefore a near-vacuum would create even more buoyancy in a smaller space.
The tricky bit would be withstanding the air pressure from outside, while using a material thin enough to be lighter then the air you are displacing with the vacuum.

Jasiek 2008-01-05 15:41

Yeah, vacuum air-ships would be a great idea.

Also, this little car is nice :D

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...html?series=19

ROBOTS!!

http://www.hizook.com/blog/2007/11/2...ghtweight-arms

http://world.honda.com/HDTV/ASIMO/


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