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Old 2016-02-03, 11:21
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uhh...what?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/se...ch-sexuality-i

An article contradicting its own title about the age of the kids, and that dates back to 2011. Now that I'm looking into it, this might not be a reliable source, plus it's very old, but it's the only thing I found that correlates what Battler said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-vaginas.html

Another from 2014, but nothing from the current state of things.

And "massage" doesn't mean "rubbing eachother's intim areas".

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I really try to follow this thread, but the posts are always so, so big that I just give up.
But have a nice chat guys.
I'm sorry about your thread

Battler : I don't get it, why are you still not backing up what you say ? That plus the fact that nearly all your previous examples are unprecise and assumptious (when I corrected them you didn't say I was wrong, so I assume we are talking about the same thing) is now making this discussion really hard, as it sheds doubt for me on everything you say

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No, I mean that there are dozens of heterosexual couples right now lining up to adopt children. First give them children, then think of the homosexuals.
Source ?
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Children that young should not be taught anything sexual, plain and simple.
That's the current situation, and I find it not satisfying. As things are now, children can easily access porn from a very young age, learning sex from that is not the best thing, it's like learning conflict solving from action movies...
Though school is not the place for education, the parents should deal with sexual education of their children, but in today's world, talking about sex with anyone is not very accepted... Talking about violence is, and that's why action movies present less of a problem than sexual ones, unfortunately.
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Then your impression of what happens here is fallacious to say the least. It wasn't just a debate, the government tried their best to block the referendum, even to the point of trying to have gay marriage and gay adoption declared as human rights and then a law passed to forbid referendums on human right issues. Thankfully, they did not succeed.
But I'd like to know why you're so intent at dismissing the account about something that happened in Slovenia by someone who actually lives in the country, and instead believe random foreign Internet sources?
I mainly read wikipedia, but as I stated, you giving me no source leaves me up to make my thoughts on stuff I can find, which will of course be different than what you find...
I dismissed what you said due to the reasons I started my posts with, but you're right, for things that happen in Slovenia, your feelings as a source can be trusted.
Governments will try to control the people, that's how organisms with power work. The fact that here they didn't manage to do so is more reassuring than worrying...
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Read the relevant Wikipedia articles. And NAMBLA and so on are groups advocating allowing sexual acts between adults and children, acts that are considering crimes by the laws of most civilized countries.
I looked-up the wiki articles of NAMBLA and of the Party for Neighbourly Love, Freedom, and Diversity and found nothing that would indicate a cooperation between them... It would help me a lot if you backed-up your claims...
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Ah, so rather than read up, gain knowledge, and form your own views, you prefer to blindly believe what other people say. This means that you're willing to blindly believe whatever someone in a higher position than you says, without questioning, which makes you incredibly susceptible to indoctrination.
True, the solution isn't ideal. But coming from Sweden, I'm inclined to believe that if the healthcare works, it's not by chance. If a third-world country made the same laws, I would question it more. I'd say it is not blind believing, it's knowing where the limits to my knowledge are... Though do note that I did some reading about it, and the fact that you need the approval of a psychiatrist shows to me that they are indeed adressing the health issue of this process.
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So you're willing to believe Germany about what's best in Slovenia(!) over someone who actually lives there and is directly affected by the disastrous economic policies imposed by the Germans.
That's a fair point. I meant Germany knows best for people who live in Germany, but it would absurd to think that as a consequence they know best for people who live elsewhere.
Thanks for pointing it out.
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Directly or indirectly, it still affects the citizens.
We are talking about government control of citizens, in that matter, I'd say directly or indirectly makes a big difference.
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Then explain why when Ireland rejected the Lisbon treaty in 2007 or so, the EU demanded a revote in order for Ireland to vote "the right way"? And why when Greece threatened to exit EU in 2015, did Germany say that was unacceptable?
I have some reading-up to do on these matters, but I would say economically it's better for Germany if Greece stays in the EU, as such, they will do what they can to make it stay, and what they can do, stop doing business with them, which apparently, Greece doesn't want to happen.
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I am not. I provided examples as evidence on my position. You have retorted with just a blanket dismissal, without a solid explanation for why my examples are irrelevant, and without any counter-evidence.
I didn't dismiss your example, but I can't find the concrete ones you pointed out, and ou refuse to back them up for some reason...
Moreover, an infinite amount of examples doesn't prove a theory, else, lining up a bunch of parallelograms would prove that all four-angled geometric figure is a parallelogram.
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Mostly during afternoon and evening CET. And you need an IRC client, I recommend HexChat.
I found a website called kiwiirc, would that do ? I connected yesterday but I saw no one, hope I didn't mess up anything x)
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Oh really? Last time I checked, Slovenia was Germany's bitch, yet we have growing unemployment, average income on an all-time low, massive budget deficits, and so on.
While as a counterexample, Belarus, who cooperates with Russia, has order everywhere, 1% unemployment, no budget deficits, and people not having to worry about their future.
Maybe you should stop claiming countries that are Germany's bitches do well when you have people who live in them, right here on the MBN, that can testify to the contrary.
I live in Hungary, and why the situation isn't perfect, it's not so bad...
I guess we should follow what the majority wants, no ?
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No, it's why a return to a union of independent, sovereign states would be the most beneficial. That way we can pass whatever laws we want, and noone can dictate to us what laws we can or can not pass.
I don't understand how that would be better, if this were to happen, first the coutries would have to repay all their debts, then they wouldn't get any more funding for the western European countries... Or not for free, they would ask for compensations... Kinda like now...
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The EU is overbearingly controlling, and so is Germany itself, and that's why increasing numbers of EU citizens want their countries to exit the EU.
EU citizens have their basic freedoms (thought, movement, etc...), in China, cenzorship of internet, media, litterature, video game, theater and a lot other is legal and openly admitted.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China)

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Also, please, disagreeing with me is one thing, but to tell me that some foreign politicians know what is best for my country better than we the people who live here, is incredibly offensive, and you did just that by implying German politicians know better what is best for Slovenia than we the people who live in Slovenia.
Again, sorry about this. My mistake.
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