Twinsen's family tree

[Reek]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

I'd go even further and say that not only is it allowed to pull things out of our arses, it's also our duty to make up our fan theories to fill plot holes that the creators didn't think about.

you're using the word "plot hole" wrong though
a plot hole is an inherent contradiction in the story


as for filling in the blanks, if fan fiction is your thing then have at it i guess. but just inserting incest into LBA based on zero evidence will obviously make people question your motives...
at the very least, it should be presented as fan fiction and not "speculation" based "on what we know"

[bloodhound]

My understanding was that Battler saw an inherent contradiction between these two things:
1. The red level of magic is passed to Twinsen from his ancestors and only he as the heir and chosen one can wear Sendell's Medaillon, which grants this power.
2. Zoe was rumored to be a playable character, and Tabata was a top wizard representing the planet Twinsen on a delegation to Zeelich, so they'd probably also have that level of magic.

[SpaceGuitarist]

I can't believe how many times the same argument here had to be explained in dozens of different ways... literally 4 pages


what's worse, there are STILL people who don't get it ... oh my days


I think you need to refer to my super-angry post on page 2, bloodhound? perhaps that will ring a bell? mhmm? who's to say, I have no hopes anymore honestly, I've nuked this entire thread to prove 1 single point, and here comes mr.bloodland to challenge it, lol


also, very convenient how in one thread you go "bunch of old men who are self-proclaimed wizards", but now suddenly this wizard woman also exists to you n' you go "Tabata was a top wizard representing the planet" : flip-flopping confirmed


anyway have fun guys !

[Polaris]

You hammered your point all right, and we've all understood what you've said. There's no need to get pissed that not everyone agrees with you though, no matter how trivial it seems to you...

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Polaris

There's no need to get pissed that not everyone agrees with you though, no matter how trivial it seems to you...

Polly my friend, it is not about agreeing with me, because there is no inference of my personal subjective opinions here. It is logic & observation. Also, Battler's points which we were revoking previously were in disgust about incest, it had nothing to do with "having a red level of magic" (no idea where bloodland took that one from!). But I will answer his 'contradiction' riddle here anyway:

Originally Posted by bloodhound

1. The red level of magic is passed to Twinsen from his ancestors and only he as the heir and chosen one can wear Sendell's Medaillon, which grants this power.
2. Zoe was rumored to be a playable character, and Tabata was a top wizard representing the planet Twinsen on a delegation to Zeelich, so they'd probably also have that level of magic.

There's no contradiction. These 3 types of magical powers are different:

- Sendell's power obtained from the Well of Sendell
- The Heir's power obtained from magical items
- Wizards who can conjure certain magic spells

None of the Wizards have what The Heir has, and The Heir doesn't have what the Wizards can do, unless they teach / give him the spell in some way.

Not only that, but Wizards are very specific in their abilities. We don't get to know them very well, but for instance Bersimon is specifically a weather wizard. His skills are honed to weather-related spells. We don't know what Tabata is specialized in, nor the other Wizards, so this can be up for imagination.

You've just earned the first level of Magic by finding the Tunic left for you by your ancestors. You will be able to store up magic with it.

You've just earned the second level of Magic by finding the Book of Bù.

You've just earned the third level of Magic by finding Sendell's Medallion.

Twinsen's magic is item-dependant, without them, he doesn't even have a magic level bar to fill in. Without his tunic, he cannot even launch the most basic magic ball. At the same time, those items belong only to the Heir, the Chosen One, and only he can use these items, and pass it on to one descendant (his Heir) one day. That is why his items are all in the museum in LBA2, because Twinsen thought he would not longer need it. Read the quote:

"To my future descendants: I have lent to Miss Bloop's private museum, the Medallion and the Ancestral Tunic which rightfully belong to you. Signed: Twinsen."

Therefore, it's impossible to conclude that:

because.. Zoe is a playable character = " so they'd probably also have that level of magic. "
because.. Tabata is a Wizard = " so they'd probably also have that level of magic. "

Ça ne peut pas exister.

[Reek]

yeah i don't see the contradiction either.



isn't it obvious that the wizards' powers and the heir's powers are completely different?

[Battler]

- SpaceGuitarist: Actually, in LBA 2, you get the magic ball before the tunic, and can use it to some extent. It just behaves the same way it behaves when your amount of magic points reaches 0. So the ball is definitely a physical object but it's not of much use without magic.


Also, I noticed another thing - in LBA 1, from what I recall, you could kill anyone, even neutral and friendly NPC's, but in LBA 2, you can only kill enemies.

[Battler]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

My understanding was that Battler saw an inherent contradiction between these two things:
1. The red level of magic is passed to Twinsen from his ancestors and only he as the heir and chosen one can wear Sendell's Medaillon, which grants this power.
2. Zoe was rumored to be a playable character, and Tabata was a top wizard representing the planet Twinsen on a delegation to Zeelich, so they'd probably also have that level of magic.

Well, for one, LBA 1 and LBA 2 are inconsistent on this - in LBA 1, the Tunic gives the first level of magic and Sendell's Medallion gives the third. But in LBA 2, both together give the first. Effectively, in LBA 2, after obtaining the Tunic and Sendell's Medallion (and the fact you can talk to your Dino-Fly implies that you're still connected to the Book of Bù), you have what in LBA 1 gave you the third level, but you only got the third. The only explanation I have for this is that the magical power of items somehow decays over time, which further strengthens the comparison to real-life radioactivity I made in another thread in General a month or so ago.


For two, the Wizard's Diploma confers Twinsen the second level of magic, up from the first, from this, we can deduce that the Diploma confers exactly one level of magic. So the other Wizards, the Grand Rector included, have the equivalent of the first level of magic.


From this all, we can make the following two deductions:
- The magical power of an object decays over time much like real-life radioactivity and in LBA 2, enough time has passed since LBA 1 that now the same objects that gave you four levels of Magic in LBA 1 (the fourth is the flask of clear water, which is now also on display in Mrs. Bloop's museum), now gave you only the first level;
- The decay does not happen until an object has been used;

- The Wizards are all exactly one level of magic below Twinsen, at least as of LBA 2;
- Magical powers can be conferred with special objects.

Since it's safe to assume that Twinsen would again obtain the first level of magic with the Tunic and Snedell's Medallion in LBA 3, that means you now need all 7 magical objects (the LBA 1 ones + the three from LBA 2) for just the first level.


Since this project's storyline is set between LBA 1 and LBA 2, then it would only be logical for the magical power to be somewhere in between, so all four objects from LBA 2 give the second level of magic (we can have Twinsen retrieve the Tunic and Sendell's Medallion at home as one item, then the Book of Bù from somewhere... the Principal Island library maybe?), and then we need two new magical items.


This is where the last elf could be tied into (in my original idea, it was a female elf), she could give Twinsen one of the new objects in exchange for some sort of quest. Perhaps some sort of crystal that we then imply is what Baldino then integrated into the Memory Viewer? Who knows.

[Lightwing]

There are many inconsistencies between the LBA games. Where are all the super powerful wizards in LBA1? The creators didn't mind these questions. They were doing whatever they thought would make for a fun game.

My advice: listen to some feedback, thank people for the feedback, then proceed to do whatever the hell you want. It's your vision.

[bloodhound]

I like SGK's last post, both in content which I agree with, and also in tone. Battler, I'd make the rules about magic levels more similar to real life. So the head of the school of magic has a very high level, preferably higher than Twinsen, but probably less battle-focused. And the head can also bestow new magical abilities to people he really likes, but because Twinsen isn't a sexy young female, so he only gets one level from the head (disclaimer: my personal fan theory). Which would make the headmaster a bit similar to the Kung Fu master in Kill Bill Vol. 2, which would be an interesting twist if you want to gear your fan game more towards an adult audience.

[Polaris]

The way I imagined it, is although magic levels in LBA1 are linked to objects, they are actually the catalyser of an inner change for Twinsen. Therefore, LBA2 magic level 1 is actually equivalent to LBA1 magic level 4. The ball doesn't bounce without the tunic though, because you need the tunic to be able to stock magic.
I mean, aren't you able to defeat any monster from Twinsun with the yellow ball in LBA2 ?
The most probable explanation is Lighwing's though.

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

Ça ne peut pas exister.

My man using the "Ç" character which is used in French, but cannot be made with a standard French keyboard !!
MVP move SG

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Twinsen isn't a sexy young female, so he only gets one level from the head (disclaimer: my personal fan theory).

Iiiiiii ummmmm... ^^'
Do you mean "from the head(master)", or "from (giving) t̶h̶e̶ head ?