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Old 2001-04-22, 19:19
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(No, i'm not talking about the ones in LBA hehe)
What are your opinions on real animal cloning? Do you think it will help anything, or should we leave things alone?
What if it lead to human cloning?

I'm doing a debate in english class, i'd just like to see some of the opinions on the topic.

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Old 2001-04-22, 19:29
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Clonings fine, the media (as usual) don't understand.
Your not making exact copys, just VERY simerlar creatures (like almost perfect identical twins).
They are still seperate animals, and will act differently.
I don't see how its dangerous, even if it was done with humans.
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But on the other hand, I don't see the point in it either.
I CAN see benifits from Genectic Enginering, but I don't see any benfits from cloning.
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One of the benefits I saw was helping keep endangered species alive.. But cloning also has some bad effects. The clones age quicker, and many of them die because the experiment didn't turn out right. There may be other long term effects we don't know about yet.


Human cloning is something I don't want to ever see happen, but I have a feeling it will. Think catalogue babies. Going through a book and choosing the characteristics for your child. Having your path chosen for you before your even born.
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Old 2001-04-22, 19:54
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I think like you froggee
Mother of somone:" i want boy with blue eyes
Father of somone: no green eyes will be better
Fuck them!!!
Whats that they will get
they will get
They dont need to choose for my opnion
And BTW i think to cloning animals its good
If u have 1 cow you can get 1 humberger
But if u will have 10 cows you will can get 10 humbergers
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Old 2001-04-22, 21:21
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human cloning will aways be polemic. The worse gonna happens if it be used to the evil, like building a lot of powerfull-mega-dangerous-humanos to constroy a army or to work in factories. Then, we will be just products.
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Old 2001-04-22, 22:48
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Froggee!!! Welcome back [hr]In my opinion, cloning is bad. Cloning makes a complete 1:1 copy of a specie. Now, what is the meaning of evolution? Getting different kind of animals. The strongest ones (the "best" ones) will survive, the bad ones will die. So the stronger animals will reproduce themselves, etc. So over a long time a specie has became better. But with cloning you prevent this from happening.
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What we must ask ourselves is what the point of cloning

At animals, it can be handy because of the endagnered species, and because we are able to use serten (modyfied) organs of the animal. As long they are not being harmed it's ok.

At Humans it would be totally useless.
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cloning cant be a good idea

Nations leaders around the world should play LBA and see what happened when the power fell into the wrong hands..
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One of the benefits I saw was helping keep endangered species alive.. But cloning also has some bad effects. The clones age quicker, and many of them die because the experiment didn't turn out right. There may be other long term effects we don't know about yet.


Human cloning is something I don't want to ever see happen, but I have a feeling it will. Think catalogue babies. Going through a book and choosing the characteristics for your child. Having your path chosen for you before your even born.
Your getting cloning micked up with Genectic modification, what they call 'designer' babies.
Cloning only helps keep species alive at the extream verg of extintion (when there only 1 parent of 1 sec left).
Basicaly I don't see anything wrong with cloning, I just don't see the point.
If we could clone humans, but modifie the genes so the grow without a brain (or stomach ) then THAT would be usefull.
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Old 2001-04-23, 12:13
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I don't like cloning of humans. Maybe one man want to be boss of the
world. Then he would clone the weakest and kill the rest
or alter them. And cloning of animals I don't like, too.
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They are indeed handy to clone an organ.

But I'm more afraid of genetic modefying
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I think like you froggee
Mother of somone:" i want boy with blue eyes
Father of somone: no green eyes will be better
Fuck them!!!
Whats that they will get
they will get
They dont need to choose for my opnion
And BTW i think to cloning animals its good
If u have 1 cow you can get 1 humberger
But if u will have 10 cows you will can get 10 humbergers
I agree 100% with Bomba
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Old 2001-04-23, 16:18
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well cloning couldn't be that bad if it was used in a right way.
question: do u know many things that were used by humans rightly?
that's why i'm opposed to this. we will eventually screw things up if we did something like this.
also, i would like to say to these crazy scientists: let nature evolve naturally. we just can't interfere into anything in this world. only god is supposed to be able to create life. we can't be gods. we don't have to try to be gods.
in my opinion, there are some really more important matters they should be dealing with. our world is becoming destroyed from day to day. we should figure out ways to make things better and not just greedier every day. but maybe it will too late when we will realise this
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no cloning sux...

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Old 2001-04-23, 20:48
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Nope, no matter what we do we can only ever harm ourselves.
Cloning posses no danger to nature or even us.Its not like in movies where you can just 'clone' something and have an identical copy instantly.Clones are Clones, they are the same thing.Its not changing nature, just copying it.
A common misconception is that us (as humans) controll the fate of the world.Clonning is harmless, and GM is almost harmless.
Even If all the nuclear bombs ever made went off, all the power stations exploded, all the GM crops spread ect.
There would be almost 0% on the longterm eniviroment.
As humans we think of nature as being prety delicate, anything we do might disturbe it ect.
Nature is very tough.After 1000 years or so you wouldn't be able to tell the diffrence.
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It might be though (reminds me of the Gaia theorie) but it doesn't mean we can just treat it without respect.
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It only can hurt us

what will happen if someone will train a wild attack dog to listen too his orders,

then clone millions of them

they would be like little zerglings

killed alot

but when they are endless

they would beat anything

why not just clone an elephant? or should i say a grobo?

then we will move to those monsters from LBA1, which actually did remind me of zerglings..

after that we will have cool sphero metal clones

we will clone the sun

then we will clone fred
and LBA3 would come in a higher producing speed

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as i said, it gives too much power to one, and i dont think governmants around the world would be able to make sure this power wont fall into the wrong hands.. :\

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Hm....I am for cloning as long as only separate organs are cloned....I do not support the cloning of an entire being......imagine if you were to be cloned....there would be two of "you".....this just makes me feel that I am not unique.....that I am just a file that can be copied and pasted....and even if it is the truth, I do not think that it is something that should be done.....
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copying??? it's a life dammit. A LIFE. not a piece of paper. you is this X scientist who can do that? who is allowed to do it? no one and i mean no one is. it's not a misconcept, because if you think it much you'll see the problems on your own. we just can't....... we can't
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what will happen if someone will train a wild attack dog to listen too his orders,

then clone millions of them
the pitbull dogs don´t born like this? i don´t have sure :-\
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copying??? it's a life dammit. A LIFE. not a piece of paper.
Yes, but whats wrong with creating a life?-
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Quite a few people here are straying into the realms of fantisy.
You can't clone a fully grown adult of any species, only a small embro.The animal envirment determeins its behavour patturn, not its genes.
You could cross bread a lot of animals to make a more violent animal, and THEN clone that animal.
But what would be the point, if you where that evil, you might as well just bread loads of the evil animals, rather then clone them.
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dont mess up with god's work..

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copying??? it's a life dammit. A LIFE. not a piece of paper.
Yes, but whats wrong with creating a life?
i just think that's it's not right for us to interfere with things we not supposed to.. we've already done enough damage till now be doing so. and it's not our role to copy/create lifes in an artificial way
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There only arguement agaist clonning is 'whats the point'.
Its not dangerous at all.
And what do you mean 'were not sapposed to'.Who says?
And we have been 'messing' with nature for years.
The farmers have been crossbreading crops and animals for 1000's of years, we have been building citys, making ourselves imune to certian illness's ect.
All of these are 'messing with nature'.
What about all the pople in the world that need fatlity treament, to have children.Thats 'messing with nature' as well.
'we've already done enough damage',yes we have done a lot of damedge, but what damedge has clonning done.For that matter what damedge has science done?
We have hunted animals to extintion, distroy vaste natral habitacts, polluted the atmosphere ect.
What damedge has modern science done?
The only major damedge science has done is from nuclar explosions, but even that damedge goes after 500 years or so.(Not 50, like in Simcity 2000 )
Hunting has caused perminate extintions, things that can never be recovered.
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Also we musn't forget, we are part of nature, not 'above' it.
Nature has a far greater effect on us then we have on it.
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