Would you be happy if Disney created an LBA film?

[CS2x]

I suppose, then, everybody here is right as usual...sales aren't a mark of quality, because a lot of quality things don't sell for a whole host of reasons, but those recent flops do happen to comport with a real problem (a patronising, preachy, politicised, unwanted and unsubtle moralising) in a lot of current mainstream cinema, including those Disney examples...but then many big mainstream movies that do do well also kinda suck because they descend into these same generic loud climaxes to the point that you want to fall asleep as the same explosions kick in and the hero does another win.

[Reek]

Sure, Disney had a string of flops recently, but maybe this one will be a banger:

[CS2x]

Originally Posted by Reek

Sure, Disney had a string of flops recently, but maybe this one will be a banger:

I saw this actress crapping on the original one recently [via interview clips floating around] and its “outdated” values. Speaking about a beloved original in those low terms didn’t seem a very wise way of selling the new film, really. No self awareness at all.

[Reek]

Originally Posted by CS2x

I saw this actress crapping on the original one recently [via interview clips floating around] and its “outdated” values. Speaking about a beloved original in those low terms didn’t seem a very wise way of selling the new film, really. No self awareness at all.

Yeah those interviews really went viral hehe. It's crazy how much she craps on the original, to the point where one starts wondering why they're even remaking this movie if it's so shit apparently.

[CS2x]

Originally Posted by Reek

Yeah those interviews really went viral hehe. It's crazy how much she craps on the original, to the point where one starts wondering why they're even remaking this movie if it's so shit apparently.

Yes haha. If you have to Trojan-horse your political grievances in, there’s a way of saying “we’re going to take this in some new directions - there may be some surprises”…and then there’s this. She should have maybe got a bit coaching or something, but it seems that that group is so self assured and insular that shitting on an original children’s classic isn’t seen as an own-goal defeater :-D

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by CS2x

generic loud climaxes

"generic loud climaxes"... I have to make a track with that name.

[Polaris]

When I see everyone disillusioned by modern Disney, I'm kind of glad I've never really liked their films

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

BRING THE CHAMPAGNE!!!
For once, Polaris and I are in entire agreement about things. Thanks for the trivia about Mr.Ocelot.

[Lightwing]

They own the culture. They can say whatever they want. Even if 100 woke films flop, it won’t stop the regime and it won’t stop mainstream audiences from seeing them when there’s a nice carrot dangling in front of them, like with the Barbie movie.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Lightwing

They own the culture.

And to think that, once upon a time, 'culture' meant the sum of expressions made by the people; the very essence of a certain region, race or creed.



Now, without borders or distinctions, everyone has absorbed part of the 'mainstream culture', whoever or whatever that is - and most importantly, whoever is behind it.

[SpaceGuitarist]

More creative than most movies they are mocking:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ub1BAokgj9s

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Reek

...The little mermaid: flop...

You'd think that it flopped from a third of the reviews on imdb being 1-star reviews, but it grossed over 560 million dollars.

Originally Posted by CS2x

I saw this actress crapping on the original one recently [via interview clips floating around] and its “outdated” values. Speaking about a beloved original in those low terms didn’t seem a very wise way of selling the new film, really. No self awareness at all.

The actress wrote:
"She's not going to be saved by the prince. And she's not going to be dreaming about true love. She's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be, and the leader that her late father told her that she could be if she was fearless, fair, brave and true"

So she's not going to be a damsel in distress any more. You got a problem with that? (TM)


Source for both: https://www.npr.org/2023/08/18/11947...-disney-remake

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

You'd think that it flopped from a third of the reviews on imdb being 1-star reviews, but it grossed over 560 million dollars.

You do realise that every person who disliked the movie in the end, still, already paid for their movie ticket and doesn't get that money back, right?

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia's The Little Mermaid (2023 film) article

Budget $250–265 million
Box office $567.5 million

Depends how you define a flop, for the producers, it certainly wasn't.
One can only hope that the critical backlash either lowers the number of people going to pay for it, or prompts Disney to change before that happens.

I mean, the latest Pokémon games got average - positive reviews, while being riddled with animation and graphical glitches (and being generally ugly).



They sold more than any other Pokémon game before, but the backlash has been strong enough to make Game Freak reconsider their game release pace.

[bloodhound]

I think part of the reason why Disney appears "woke", is because that's how they can make more money. There's a cultural shift towards these ideas now, as we also see with 2.21's team, or with the massive George Floyd protests. This will become more and more mainstream, so if Disney still wants to sell these films for years to come, they'll have to "adapt to modern sensibilities". Also, Disney isn't so woke where that would cost a lot of income, for example their film posters in countries with a lot of anti-black racism usually find some way to hide the main character's blackness (by strange lighting, helmets or leaving them out entirely).

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Polaris

Depends how you define a flop, for the producers, it certainly wasn't.

I wouldn't like to have my name associated with some crap that everybody hated. Doesn't matter that the movie studios got its expected revenue, as that's only because people were gullible and got fooled thinking they'd get good entertainment for their cash, but left the cinemas disappointed (btw, disappointing little kids just makes it even more terrible).

Originally Posted by bloodhound

I think part of the reason why Disney appears "woke", is because that's how they can make more money. There's a cultural shift towards these ideas now, as we also see with 2.21's team, or with the massive George Floyd protests. This will become more and more mainstream, so if Disney still wants to sell these films for years to come, they'll have to "adapt to modern sensibilities". Also, Disney isn't so woke where that would cost a lot of income, for example their film posters in countries with a lot of anti-black racism usually find some way to hide the main character's blackness (by strange lighting, helmets or leaving them out entirely).

Don't ye luv writing garbage to troll others into senseless arguments...

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

I wouldn't like to have my name associated with some crap that everybody hated.

Me neither, this is clearly at the expense of the spectators and the film makers. Quite sad that Disney doesn't care about that

bloodhound : tbf, I don't know how much influence it has on them making money, other studios aren't so outspoken about their real or marketed political stance, and they have no problem turning a profit either...

[bloodhound]

I'm happy to be proved wrong here, but my hunch is that far-right circles manufacture controversies where there actually aren't any, and this goes in a very predictable cycle, because Disney has the fixed rule for every film that they want to give more non-whites representation than in the past, and then any tiny little mistakes gets massively amplified by far-right circles. is the new Snow White a bad film? Nobody knows. At least I don't find the "bomb-shell interview" offensive, and I think if Snow White wasn't "off-white", then such an interview wouldn't be controversial at all. Like, if a celebrity who starred in an ad for Coca-Cola says they actually don't like Coca-Cola that much, would anyone give a shit? I'm sure there are people who love that drink as much as people love the old Snow White. Did anyone of you not write a lot less sensitive stuff on the MBN when you were 22?

Originally Posted by Polaris

bloodhound : tbf, I don't know how much influence it has on them making money, other studios aren't so outspoken about their real or marketed political stance, and they have no problem turning a profit either...

A bit of silly guessing, but I could imagine that as a studio that produces children's films, they have to be a bit woker so that parents are happy.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

a studio that produces children's films (...) have to be (...) woker so that parents are happy.

[xesf]

Ember Lab will probably be a better choice. The pre-rendered cutscenes in Kena Bridge of Spirits look gorgeous.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Lightwing

SGK: Let’s be nice.

Kena looks so nice My laptop will never be able to handle it x)

bloodhound : I agree that even with children's film, the ones paying are the parents, they are the ones that need to be convinced, but why choose something progressive over... Not even choosing an ideological affiliation ?
I think the bulk of people simply doesn't care... We notice the ones shouting the loudest, that's all.
Also, I don't think controversies are manufactured, that... would actually be reassuring in a way. I think the people expressing their opinions are mostly sincere.

[CS2x]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

I think part of the reason why Disney appears "woke", is because that's how they can make more money. There's a cultural shift towards these ideas now, as we also see with 2.21's team, or with the massive George Floyd protests. This will become more and more mainstream, so if Disney still wants to sell these films for years to come, they'll have to "adapt to modern sensibilities". Also, Disney isn't so woke where that would cost a lot of income, for example their film posters in countries with a lot of anti-black racism usually find some way to hide the main character's blackness (by strange lighting, helmets or leaving them out entirely).

You do have a point here. There’s grifters all around, including on the right, and they either parade the most broken examples of people associated with perceived ideological opponents as fodder, or can amplify a concerning narrative that may not hold a popular majority or may be implicit to whole new explicit levels.

On the first point, some of the people being paraded about would have hardly had an “audience” (read: now crowd of jeerers) had they not been “reacted to” by a person on the right with a huge platform citing them as further examples of social degradation. They’re low hanging fruit, and usually look like they need therapy - urgently.

Easy targets. Not that I don’t agree with various concerns from people on all ends of the spectrum at times, but cheap populism and incendiary selections aren’t a very impressive way forward.

On the other hand, don’t you find some of how this is executed in the films exceedingly cringey? Even if you do happen to agree with the politics, don’t you find it utterly lacking in subtlety and overtly agenda-erd in feel? Does having a “strong” female lead mean she should be lacking in flaws, know how to do complicated things immediately, physically capable of beating up 5 men at once, and does she need to “show up” an outwardly handsome but really dithering white male on that many occasions? I can even enjoy communist Russian cartoons more than these. They have more sensitivity even in their overt ideologizing.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by CS2x

On the other hand, don’t you find some of how this is executed in the films exceedingly cringey? Even if you do happen to agree with the politics, don’t you find it utterly lacking in subtlety and overtly agenda-erd in feel? Does having a “strong” female lead mean she should be lacking in flaws, know how to do complicated things immediately, physically capable of beaten up 5 men at once, and does she need to “show up” an outwardly handsome but really dithering white male on that many occasions? I can even enjoy communist Russian cartoons more than these. They have more sensitivity even in their overt ideologizing.

Yeah.

[Lightwing]

To give you an idea of what’s going on out there: I once dated a girl who said that she felt Wonder Woman was patriarchal because the main dude sacrifices himself, whereas WW should not need a man or concern herself with one. This was 3 years ago.

[A large portion of the off-topic discussions in this thread were moved to Roofles].

[Polaris]

Frankly, nearly every big budget movie with a "strong female lead" just has actress play the main role, but the character still carries male characteristics (mainly physical attributes and actions), and could be swaped out for a man without it being weird.