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Old 2022-04-21, 22:48
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Question Making sense of the Temple of Bù

I just played through LBA2 again (and had just as much fun as 20 years ago), although I was puzzled by what I saw in the Temple of Bù. I have the following questions:

1. What deity is the temple dedicated to?
2. Why are there skeletons of Rabbibunnies and why are they animated?
3. Why do the skeletons worship Meca penguins?
4. What do the fire-spewing statues depict?
5. Why do the statues change how they spit fire depending on Twinsen's behavior?

I don't think LBA2 gives any background there, so I tried to come up with a consistent theory:

In ancient times, the civilization of Zirla visited Twinsun to build the temple. Zirlans are very religious and their deity gives them the power to animate skeletons, which they did to the Rabbibunnies who at that time were the only race on Desert Island. The Zirlans look like animals walking on two legs, like the giraffe and ant in Otringal, and also like penguins, which is why the skeletons worship Meca penguins for thinking that they animated them. The statues are the deities of Zirla. Twinsen as the heir has a force in him to which Zirlans and their deities are susceptible, so when Twinsen changes his behavior he inadvertedly forces the statues to imitate his behavior.

How have you made sense of the temple? Do you think there's a better explanation or was more of the background explained in LBA1 or in an interview with the designers?
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Old 2022-04-22, 13:29
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I just played through LBA2 again (and had just as much fun as 20 years ago), although I was puzzled by what I saw in the Temple of Bù. I have the following questions:

1. What deity is the temple dedicated to?
2. Why are there skeletons of Rabbibunnies and why are they animated?
3. Why do the skeletons worship Meca penguins?
4. What do the fire-spewing statues depict?
5. Why do the statues change how they spit fire depending on Twinsen's behavior?

I don't think LBA2 gives any background there, so I tried to come up with a consistent theory:

In ancient times, the civilization of Zirla visited Twinsun to build the temple. Zirlans are very religious and their deity gives them the power to animate skeletons, which they did to the Rabbibunnies who at that time were the only race on Desert Island. The Zirlans look like animals walking on two legs, like the giraffe and ant in Otringal, and also like penguins, which is why the skeletons worship Meca penguins for thinking that they animated them. The statues are the deities of Zirla. Twinsen as the heir has a force in him to which Zirlans and their deities are susceptible, so when Twinsen changes his behavior he inadvertedly forces the statues to imitate his behavior.

How have you made sense of the temple? Do you think there's a better explanation or was more of the background explained in LBA1 or in an interview with the designers?
to the deity bu I think?
Or wait, the book of bu talks about sendell and the one, so maybe bu was a prophet
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Old 2022-04-23, 12:16
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Why specifically Zirlans ?
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Old 2022-04-23, 17:58
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Sounds very convincing that Bu was a prophet for Sendell! Then it's weird that there's no Sendell statues in a temple of Sendell, but maybe Twinsen was the first Twinsunian who got to see a Sendell, and the people who built the temple imagined the Sendell to look like the statues.

Twinsen got the magic ball from his ancestors and the statues seem to also spew magic balls. So maybe the Sendells gave the ancestors a bunch of balls to protect the planet and the ancestors decided to put some of the balls into the statues to protect the temple, but their motion sensors cause a bug in the ballistics calculation if Twinsen walks by DISCREETLY.

@Polaris: I thought about Zirlans because the temple seems out of place on both Twinsun and Zeelich, and the only other two planets mentioned (on the airport's destination table) are Zirla and Red Planet. Although if we can find a good reason for the Rabbibunnis worshipping Meca Penguins, then maybe we don't need aliens.
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Old 2022-04-25, 12:09
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Sounds very convincing that Bu was a prophet for Sendell! Then it's weird that there's no Sendell statues in a temple of Sendell, but maybe Twinsen was the first Twinsunian who got to see a Sendell, and the people who built the temple imagined the Sendell to look like the statues.

Twinsen got the magic ball from his ancestors and the statues seem to also spew magic balls. So maybe the Sendells gave the ancestors a bunch of balls to protect the planet and the ancestors decided to put some of the balls into the statues to protect the temple, but their motion sensors cause a bug in the ballistics calculation if Twinsen walks by DISCREETLY.

@Polaris: I thought about Zirlans because the temple seems out of place on both Twinsun and Zeelich, and the only other two planets mentioned (on the airport's destination table) are Zirla and Red Planet. Although if we can find a good reason for the Rabbibunnis worshipping Meca Penguins, then maybe we don't need aliens.
I think zeelich was shoe-horned into the story of lba2, I don't feel as if it really would have anything to do with the origin of twinsun / sendell
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Old 2022-04-25, 20:32
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I think zeelich was shoe-horned into the story of lba2, I don't feel as if it really would have anything to do with the origin of twinsun / sendell
What makes you think so? In LBA1 Bob Vortix the astronomer knows about the legend, and the third part was supposed to be called Genesis of the Stellar Entity, so there seems to be some relationship between Sendell, the legend and planets.
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Old 2022-04-25, 22:10
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What makes you think so? In LBA1 Bob Vortix the astronomer knows about the legend, and the third part was supposed to be called Genesis of the Stellar Entity, so there seems to be some relationship between Sendell, the legend and planets.
just a feeling, there was also emerald moon street in lba1
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Old 2022-05-11, 13:19
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This thread reminds me of when I made my attempt at reconstructing how the first area looked like before being buried by the sandstorm. Though I, too, fail to properly understand that place.

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I think zeelich was shoe-horned into the story of lba2, I don't feel as if it really would have anything to do with the origin of twinsun / sendell
But the prophecy of Zeelich predicted that planet would be saved after the coming of Twinsen. FunFrock just hid that part inside his statue.
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Old 2022-05-11, 20:50
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This thread reminds me of when I made my attempt at reconstructing how the first area looked like before being buried by the sandstorm. Though I, too, fail to properly understand that place.


But the prophecy of Zeelich predicted that planet would be saved after the coming of Twinsen. FunFrock just hid that part inside his statue.
hard to explain, but I find the existance of zeelich very relevant for lba2, but not for the whole history of Twinsun.

Like, it feels like the story of lba 2 was thought out after lba1 was already made. So to say the temple of bu is influenced by something from zeelich would feel a bit weird, but it's just my feeling.

ofcourse it is part of the story now, since 1997, but I don't think there was any contact before between the planets
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Old 2022-05-13, 13:53
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This thread reminds me of when I made my attempt at reconstructing how the first area looked like before being buried by the sandstorm. Though I, too, fail to properly understand that place.
Cool project! Keep it going with the Asian-style temple design, with a Kung-fu master Prophet Bu in it ;-)
By the way, that you had to post it in the wrong forum for exposure reminds me of how difficult it seems to be to design a forum UI where that problem doesn't occur. My school's forum is even worse in that it has a prominent "Top 10" section, so that the top 10 posts get hundreds of replies and other posts often zero.

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hard to explain, but I find the existance of zeelich very relevant for lba2, but not for the whole history of Twinsun.

Like, it feels like the story of lba 2 was thought out after lba1 was already made. So to say the temple of bu is influenced by something from zeelich would feel a bit weird, but it's just my feeling.

ofcourse it is part of the story now, since 1997, but I don't think there was any contact before between the planets
I also don't think they had the sequel story thought out when they made LBA1. Otherwise why would they miss the fun opportunity for a sequel tease!
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Cool project! Keep it going with the Asian-style temple design, with a Kung-fu master Prophet Bu in it ;-)
By the way, that you had to post it in the wrong forum for exposure reminds me of how difficult it seems to be to design a forum UI where that problem doesn't occur. My school's forum is even worse in that it has a prominent "Top 10" section, so that the top 10 posts get hundreds of replies and other posts often zero.



I also don't think they had the sequel story thought out when they made LBA1. Otherwise why would they miss the fun opportunity for a sequel tease!
otoh, they did have a emerald moon street
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Oh right, that doesn't look like a coincidence, given how well-hidden that street is!
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The more I think of the Temple of Bù, the less it makes sense. I've yet to hear of any sort of real-life place of worship that has all these traps set.
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Well, traps may have been set at some later point in the history when the temple had to be abandoned for some reason. Maybe the sandstorm was predicted and the temple had to be secured from thieves so that when the temple emerges again it will be intact for the next generation of believers to just continue the worship. The sandstorm could have been a repeating thing every few hundred or thousand years. Think of the eclipse in Chronicles Of Riddick: Pitch Black.
I know it's really just the ongoing theme with pop culture where basically all abandoned temples, tombs, shrines etc have to be booby trapped from basement to the roof because "entertainment", but it's still fun to guess the stuff that wasn't actually thought out in the development of the game
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The more I think of the Temple of Bù, the less it makes sense. I've yet to hear of any sort of real-life place of worship that has all these traps set.
Maybe not places of worship, but the Ancient Egyptians filled those pyramids with some nasty traps to deal with grave robbers. Additionally, with the role the Book of Bu plays in The Prophecy, having the "temple" really be an obstacle course to test the Chosen One does make a bit of sense.
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