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Old 2013-08-07, 17:32
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Twinsen drugs

hey everybody!!
i recently supported a friend which got a bit too much into various drugs (marijuana, cocaine), she's being taken care of now and i hope she'll be ok soon.
i wanted to ask you guys what's your opinion (and possibly experience) about drugs, and also if you think they should be legalized
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Old 2013-08-07, 19:02
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IMHO I think all kinds of drugs should be illegalised, legal medicines as well, unless by doctor's prescription.
Because our people are more and more falling back to using medicine if they just feel like having a headache or something, instead of curing their weak minds with mental stabilisation.
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Old 2013-08-07, 20:29
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IMHO I think all kinds of drugs should be illegalised, legal medicines as well, unless by doctor's prescription.
Because our people are more and more falling back to using medicine if they just feel like having a headache or something, instead of curing their weak minds with mental stabilisation.
So....if I have a headache it is because I forgot to stabilize my weak mind?
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Old 2013-08-07, 21:10
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Marijuana isn't any worse than alcohol in terms of health risks (afaik), and actually alcohol is probably much worse for social behaviour so I don't see why it shouldn't be legal.

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IMHO I think all kinds of drugs should be illegalised, legal medicines as well, unless by doctor's prescription.
Because our people are more and more falling back to using medicine if they just feel like having a headache or something, instead of curing their weak minds with mental stabilisation.
While it's true that getting antibiotics for every little thing will reduce their effectiveness overall, not everything is psychological and medicine is doing far more good than harm so this comment is pretty ridiculous. Why should the government decide everything we can and can't do? It's a slippery slope for them to start making everything illegal and frankly if you don't want to use or do something then no one is forcing you to so equally no one should force their own dislikes on everyone else by banning it.

The main concern pharmacologists have right now is that doctors are prescribing medicine courses that aren't being completed which means infections/illnesses aren't going away or they're getting worse, and on top of that the virus is able to fight the antibiotic because there isn't enough in the body to completely destroy the virus.

Everything in moderation anyway.
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Old 2013-08-07, 21:31
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Marijuana is less addicting than coffee, too. It's ludicrous that it's banned.
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Old 2013-08-07, 23:23
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Yeah, and it's not proven making marijuana illegal reduces consumption. You'll find a bit of a "rebel" attitude in all the teenagers who try it in France, and the consumption of it is higher here than it is in the Netherlands where it is legal.
Besides, there are a few nasty consequences due to it being illegal:
- Increased criminality (due to shady, uncontrolled distribution networks).
- Dangerous products found in the weed or hash (due to the total absence of a legal frame for controlling production and distribution). For instance, you might find particles of glass in weed which instantly damages lungs heavily and irreversibly when inhaled.

And like Kitarii said, it shouldn't be up to the government to decide everything we can or can't do. I'm not sure I would be in favor of a legalization of all and every drugs though, but at least some of them should be legal.

As for my personal attitude towards drugs: I like to give them a try, for the experience. I tried quite a few of them, but it's never more than a one or two times thing, except for alcohol, which I use quite often.
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Old 2013-08-07, 23:38
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While I did say in my honest opinion that, I'd like to see all kinds of drugs banned, I did not mention this is merely a personal opinion, not my suggestion to actually persue. I was asked for my opinion, right? Not for what I wanted to do about it.

And it's true that the negative effects of medicine isn't worth it compared to the positive ones, but while I see that even if a minority of people exaggerate their medicine usage, I get the urge to damn all medicine (taking a more absolute position) for having that kind of effect in the first place. This does not mean I seriously mean to ban them all because of this small minority.

It's just, as part of a kind of perfectionism, I want no one to become addicted to medicine in any way, and that has the effect of me taking positions that can offer that exclusiveness. But it's nothing I'd take action against, how can one person do such a thing? It's only my emotional reaction to the uncontrolled behavior.

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So....if I have a headache it is because I forgot to stabilize my weak mind?
No, not like that. Only the opposite. Like, an apple is always a piece of fruit, but fruit isn't always an apple.
I meant, if a person takes antibiotics for a headache, it means they aren't in control of their mind enough to prevent headache.
There is more to it to controlling our body than most people know, can or have learned, and I'm positive it's possible to control it. When the body feels pain unrelated to physical injury or sensory, it is the body responding to emotional stress of some kind.
Seriously, I've never had one, or at least never felt any of the usual symptomes of a headache.
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Old 2013-08-08, 00:02
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The thing is, there's a difference between trying a drug (which can be a pretty nice, mind-opening experience) and getting addicted to it. And besides, there's also a difference between conscious, (semi-)regular consumption and addiction.

There are almost as many ways of using (or not using) drugs as individuals. Another kind of perfectionism would be to want to give all these different individuals the choice to do what suits them best, while still keeping in mind concerns like public health and criminality. That would require more subtle laws (and most likely a legalization, ie: regulation of production and distribution) than simple banning.

I'm aware you're merely giving your opinion, not campaigning for it. I'm merely trying to give you a different perspective.
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Old 2013-08-08, 00:20
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I know. But it's difficult for me to understand what I want. I know my opinion, it's clear and not likely going to change, however it's not something I'd rationally choose to campaign for. As you rightfully put it, there are different perspectives.

Besides my opinion being a protest against some way of chaos, it's also related to my acceptance of (mostly illegal) drugs. I'd never use or try anything myself, out of principle and strength, eventhough I know there's a clear difference between just using it and being addicted to it.

I persue the same personal rule for coffee, alcohol, sigarettes and sigars, (any kind of) pills, moisturing creams, or other kinds of chemicals for the body. In other words, I'm a health-addict or something.
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Old 2013-08-08, 02:06
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hey everybody!!
i recently supported a friend which got a bit too much into various drugs (marijuana, cocaine), she's being taken care of now and i hope she'll be ok soon.
i wanted to ask you guys what's your opinion (and possibly experience) about drugs, and also if you think they should be legalized
I'm addicted to Pims... is it legal?
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Old 2013-08-08, 02:10
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What a horrible joke SGK, you can do much better than that man!!
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Old 2013-08-08, 02:15
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Uh... It's the intention that counts, right?
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Old 2013-08-08, 10:49
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Old 2013-08-08, 11:18
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THAT should be made illegal.
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Old 2013-08-08, 12:11
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Never tried any drug (beside alcohol, but I don't know if it counts ?) and I don't really feel the need to try one...

I think the should be legalized and regulated, they are forbidden for now, but that doesn't keep people from selling them.
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Old 2013-08-08, 12:58
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If the government legalised marijuana it could be safely regulated and taxed, and I don't think the number of users would change very much at all, so it seems to be in everyone's favour.
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Old 2013-08-08, 16:03
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THAT should be made illegal.
Restraining order for roy?

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Old 2013-08-08, 20:13
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what other mbn couples are there?? i only know twinsan and zee...


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I know. But it's difficult for me to understand what I want. I know my opinion, it's clear and not likely going to change, however it's not something I'd rationally choose to campaign for.
are you saying you have an opinion which you think it makes no sense to support??
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Old 2013-08-08, 20:19
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what other mbn couples are there?? i only know twinsan and zee...
Those two, and supposedly SGK and you.

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are you saying you have an opinion which you think it makes no sense to support??
Yes.
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Old 2013-08-08, 20:47
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Old 2013-08-08, 20:51
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Maybe I'll explain it to you when we meet.
But never mind little old complex me, this thread isn't about me.
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Old 2013-08-09, 00:07
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then we can have another mbn couple
Twinsan and me are no longer a "couple".

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I'm addicted to Pims... is it legal?
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You need a girlfriend 4real.
Yeah, indeed.
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