Go Back   the Magicball Network > Forums > MBN Main Forums > Off topic
Buy LBA1/Relentless from GOG.com Buy LBA1/Relentless from DotEmu Buy LBA2/Twinsen's Odyssey from DotEmu Buy LBA2/Twinsen's Odyssey from GOG.com Buy Little big Adventure from GOG.com or DotEmu Buy Little big Adventure 2 from DotEmu or GOG.com

Welcome to the Magicball Network.

You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Off topic General off-topic chat goes in here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 2011-07-30, 20:44
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
'It has to go away': Facebook director calls for an end to internet anonymity

Quote:
Facebook's marketing director has called for an end to on-line anonymity, saying internet users would 'behave a lot better' if everyone had to use real names when surfing or posting on the internet.

Randi Zuckerberg, Facebook’s marketing director and sister of multi-millionaire founder Mark, made the comments during a round table discussion on cyber bullying.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...anonymity.html

Behaving a lot better. Yeah that just briliant.

Any thoughts on this? I better self-censor my thoughts just in case.
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 2011-07-30, 20:58
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
Horrible... that's ludicrous.



But thankfully even "big people" such as Zuckerberg and co. can't "end internet anonymity". Thankfully even if they manage to make laws and such there'll be ways around it thanks to projects like http://freenetproject.org/.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2011-07-30, 21:12
Kobold's Avatar
Kobold Kobold is offline
Magic Ball Master
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Germany
Posts: 7,333
I remember an incident when Blizzard required members of the StarCraft II Beta forums to use their real names as nicknames. A moderator then had to unregister his phone connection because of constant harassment and advertising.

And that's only a minor inconvenience.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2011-07-30, 21:17
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosFish View Post
Horrible... that's ludicrous.
But thankfully even "big people" such as Zuckerberg and co. can't "end internet anonymity".
Yeah, they must see the "internet users" as pets or something?

Quote:
Thankfully even if they manage to make laws and such there'll be ways around it thanks to projects like http://freenetproject.org/.
Technically perhaps...

But if it's truly enforced it would reshape the world to a place where people chop off eachothers fingers just to be able to log back in, using their prints, and play WOW after they got banned. Among other less silly crap. :P
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2011-07-30, 23:08
SpaceGuitarist's Avatar
SpaceGuitarist SpaceGuitarist is offline
the legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Brasil
Posts: 6,844
Quote:
Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
But if it's truly enforced it would reshape the world to a place where people chop off eachothers fingers just to be able to log back in, using their prints, and play WOW after they got banned. Among other less silly crap. :P
Yeah, I can imagine on eBay stuff like: "CHEAP account Dwarf lvl180 +bonus items WoW (finger in mint condition)".
__________________
MY STUFF
http://youtube.com/user/SonicEntertainment
https://soundcloud.com/roy-rajabally
https://royrajabally.bandcamp.com/
http://lapichon.deviantart.com/
Polaris: "And what is a guitar doing in the middle of an asteroïd anyway?"
sgk: Think of it this way: it's like a message in a bottle. In our world, we put a message inside a bottle to protect it while it travels through the oceans to reach some other island. In other worlds, they put a message inside an asteroid to protect it while it travels through space to reach some other planet. In this case it is a gift, a guitar, rather than just a message.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2011-07-31, 00:39
Darkflame's Avatar
Darkflame Darkflame is offline
Classic
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Sol, Earth, NL
Posts: 23,836
Send a message via ICQ to Darkflame Send a message via AIM to Darkflame Send a message via MSN to Darkflame
Its very hard to be totaly anonyminious. There will always be ways to track you online, no mater how carefull you are.
However - it shouldn't be easy. We can be tracked in the real world too, but it takes effort. Its the difference between a physical phone tap and a guy punching some numbers in at your ISP. I dont have much problems with the first - sometimes its neccessery. But it shouldn't ever be "automatic" nor "easy".

My big problem isnt so much with Facebook etc, but more legal requirements by the US government (and others) for all ISPs to keep records of everything you do for 6 months.
Legaly, they dont actualy have a choice.
__________________
http://fanficmaker.com <-- Tells some truly terrible tales.
-
Phones & Tricorders & Blobs & Bombs & 3D Printers & TVIntros also;stuff
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2011-07-31, 12:02
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkflame View Post
Its very hard to be totaly anonyminious. There will always be ways to track you online, no mater how carefull you are.
Yes no doubt... In a way that is even preferable. Aslong as it isn't abused.

Quote:
However - it shouldn't be easy. We can be tracked in the real world too, but it takes effort. Its the difference between a physical phone tap and a guy punching some numbers in at your ISP. I dont have much problems with the first - sometimes its neccessery. But it shouldn't ever be "automatic" nor "easy".

My big problem isnt so much with Facebook etc, but more legal requirements by the US government (and others) for all ISPs to keep records of everything you do for 6 months.
Legaly, they dont actualy have a choice.
Well even that doesn't have such big repercusions. Since they must store but may not typicaly see/use/spread that info without judge or special circumstances. -At leasts in the Netherlands.

An end to anonymity is rather insane tho. There is quite a difference with being trackable/hackable and having no anonymity left.

FFS Facebook wants to invite lil kids to the internet. And cause they might get teased (?!) they want to reform the world to a place where we all have our names burned on everything anybody will ever view/write/click?

Every public figure gets teased. -thats the least of your worries then- Thats the whole point. Who is pushing those kids to be such?

Plus, how to enforce this? Put cameras/iris scanners in all houses to see who sits behind a computer? Even then: who said they are not forced to sit behind that computer?

It's a totally insane notion these things will benefit the internet user, let alone the world.
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2011-07-31, 17:03
Lawrence's Avatar
Lawrence Lawrence is offline
Magic Level: Fire Ball
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Italy
Posts: 289
I don't like Facebook in the first place, I don't have an account nor I feel the need to create one.
There's no deep hatred behind my decision, I just don't like social networks.
That being said, forcing people to use their real identities is just not feasible and unfair IMO. If one wants anonymity he should have the right to have it...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 2011-07-31, 23:56
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
Quote:
Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
FFS Facebook wants to invite lil kids to the internet. And cause they might get teased (?!) they want to reform the world to a place where we all have our names burned on everything anybody will ever view/write/click?
What a bunch of FUD. This is how Dr. Funfrocks are made. I'm just waiting for someone to evacuate the entire southern hemisphere "for our own protection".
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 2011-08-01, 02:21
Fireball's Avatar
Fireball Fireball is offline
Here.
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,204
Personally, I have an FB account and use my RL name for it. I use it for keeping in touch with people I know IRL, and (with a few exceptions) only add people who use their real names. Some people I know have used a last initial in place of a last name, which I think is fair, if they want to protect themselves from employers looking them up or somesuch, although I try to make sure that things I put on FB are things that I wouldn't mind other people (including potential employers) seeing. I don't use FB for keeping in touch with people I don't know IRL, so if someone is using a 'fake name', I usually won't add them to my list, unless I know who that person is. For my own use of FB, I think using real names makes sense. If I want to write a message to the person I know as John, I don't want to have to remember John's made-up username and write to that account, although I'll grant you that this would not be a major inconvenience for me.

In short, I don't see anything wrong with giving your real name to fb if you use it for interacting with people you know irl.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 2011-08-01, 10:42
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fireball View Post
In short, I don't see anything wrong with giving your real name to fb if you use it for interacting with people you know irl.
Indeed but you are a adult and can oversee the consequences. Although FB been tracking users even when they are not logged in. And other privacy related fails one should not have to expect from such buisness.

Anyway the article is not so much about normal use of FB but that they seemingly want to:
Quote:
(...) Mark Zuckerberg said he would ‘fight’ to allow under-13s to use the social networking website – despite warnings it would put the most vulnerable children at risk.
And the marketing director called for a "end of on-line anonymity".

So it's not so much about FB as it is now. But more about what crazy ideas this millionaire family has.
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 2011-08-01, 13:35
Darkflame's Avatar
Darkflame Darkflame is offline
Classic
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Sol, Earth, NL
Posts: 23,836
Send a message via ICQ to Darkflame Send a message via AIM to Darkflame Send a message via MSN to Darkflame
I wouldnt have objections to <13 on facebook. Just simply give them tighter privacy controls. (ie, they can only post to friends/family - no degrees of seperation away).
__________________
http://fanficmaker.com <-- Tells some truly terrible tales.
-
Phones & Tricorders & Blobs & Bombs & 3D Printers & TVIntros also;stuff
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 2011-08-01, 14:17
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
This whole +13 or whatever deal is absurd. It's like those porn sites that say "by clicking here you agree that you're over 18". You have to be a really naive kid to actually do what the website tells you to. Until Facebook requires you to enter a valid ID number and send them a copy of your birth certificate, screw 'em. I'm not saying kids under 13 should register to Facebook, just that it's their own decision anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 2011-08-01, 14:48
Double-J Double-J is offline
Magic Ball Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,409
Facebook has become very useful, along with Google Docs, for maintaining professional contacts (at least for me). Many of us already use our real names and credentials, but there is a catch - obviously we have more 'sanitized' profiles than say more personal or 'anonymous' accounts. Like DF said, privacy controls are the key. FB more than ever, with the controversy over the twitter-like realtime sidebar as of late, has been more and more inclined to remove the privacy of peoples accounts. I have considered closing mine and migrating to Google+, simply because of the improved privacy controls. Either that, or simply not having one at all, ffs.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 2011-08-01, 20:59
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
I never seen the user interface of FB. My tracker blocker however shows that it's one of the biggers lurking gatherers online. :P
And when FB is in the spotlight it usually has to do with privacy fail stuff.

Of course I am aware of the potential benefits, convidience, a nice tool if you know what you are doing.
But that's another thing about young kids tho. They don't know what they are doing. And if their parents let them post without screenname (and such), I doubt that even they know what they are doing.

I am sure pro this +13 law... young kids should not be used for commercial profiling on such scale, or perhaps on any scale. (another discussion)
Sure some will explore... Thats what they do. But its not them but the parents that have the responsibility.

That law is not in place to be hard on kids... but to be hard on companys that would use the kids.
And at least the FB guy is openly saying he is glad to use the kids. Put them in place for his own gain.
I ask you, how much of a exaggeration is it to say that?
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 2011-08-01, 21:18
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
Your avatar sums it up.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 2011-08-01, 21:25
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosFish View Post
Your avatar sums it up.
Not sure what you mean by that.

But well just agree: kids are stupid.
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 2011-08-01, 21:31
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
I agree with what you said.

Like I said before, in our world anything that gains you money gains you respect. It's fucked up, yes.

Your avatar has a picture of a little girl brainwashed by TV, no?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 2011-08-01, 21:40
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosFish View Post
I agree with what you said.

Like I said before, in our world anything that gains you money gains you respect. It's fucked up, yes.
Wel over the back off kids usually puts at least some people off. :P
Quote:
Your avatar has a picture of a little girl brainwashed by TV, no?
Yes, it is.

Hehe, I was not sure what you meant. Could be my dystopian views being to dramatised and black and white...lol... Or just indeed... thats how things always were.

hehe
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 2011-08-01, 22:18
Fireball's Avatar
Fireball Fireball is offline
Here.
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,204
Quote:
Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
But that's another thing about young kids tho. They don't know what they are doing. And if their parents let them post without screenname (and such), I doubt that even they know what they are doing.

I am sure pro this +13 law... young kids should not be used for commercial profiling on such scale, or perhaps on any scale. (another discussion)
Sure some will explore... Thats what they do. But its not them but the parents that have the responsibility.

That law is not in place to be hard on kids... but to be hard on companys that would use the kids.
And at least the FB guy is openly saying he is glad to use the kids. Put them in place for his own gain.
I ask you, how much of a exaggeration is it to say that?
The ethics of marketing to children are generally quite poor, and yet very little is generally done to curtail it. Companies have realized that children (even those as young as 5 or 6) have significant amounts of influence over how parents spend their money. Everything from ads on cartoon channels to toys packaged in cereal boxes is designed to make the product appeal to children, who will then ask (nag) their parents to buy them the product. Most children, particularly at the lower end of the 6-12 age range, have no idea about how the marketing is influencing them. That said, as you mentioned, this is something of a different issue.

To return to FB, I think it is ultimately up to the parents to monitor their children's activity online. As CF said, it's pretty easy for a child to click on the 'I am over 13' button to create an e-mail/fb account. I don't think that having an e-mail/fb account necessarily means that the children will be harmed in any way. Perhaps they will be exposed to more advertising from FB, but given the amount of ads already on the Internet, I doubt that this would have a significant impact. Obviously there are issues relating to people stalking children/cyber-bullying/etc, but again, this is where parental supervision becomes necessary for young kids.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 2011-08-02, 15:36
Double-J Double-J is offline
Magic Ball Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,409
Quote:
Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
I never seen the user interface of FB. My tracker blocker however shows that it's one of the biggers lurking gatherers online. :P
And when FB is in the spotlight it usually has to do with privacy fail stuff.
Absolutely. I dislike, and have turned off/blocked/what have you many of the APIs, cookie settings, etc. that Facebook uses when you visit other sites. Ridiculous. I don't need Facebook to know I'm watching pr0n. Should I "Like" it and let the world know, too? I mean, who wouldn't like to see a midnight midget mashfest?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 2011-08-02, 15:51
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
The CookieCuller extension for Firefox is useful for that. It deletes all the cookies every time you restart the browser, except for the cookies you choose to keep.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 2011-08-02, 16:39
Double-J Double-J is offline
Magic Ball Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,409
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosFish View Post
The CookieCuller extension for Firefox is useful for that. It deletes all the cookies every time you restart the browser, except for the cookies you choose to keep.
Sounds kind of nifty. One of the things I like most about Firefox is the ability to allow/allow for session/deny certain cookies. It's unnerving to see how many are actually placed (or attempt to be placed) on your machine from visiting what would be considered a rather benign website (e.g. FB).
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 2011-08-02, 18:23
ChaosFish ChaosFish is offline
weee
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Viking Mothership, Living Quarters
Posts: 21,207
Ultimate Firefox privacy setting: AdBlock Plus with "easy privacy + easy list" subscription, Greasemonkey with googlePrivacy and Disable Google Autocomplete & Preview userscripts, RefControl (set to "<Forge> (3rd Party)"), CookieCuller (don't protect any Google's cookies other than the "PREF" cookie - so you'll be able to disable Google Instant), disable "show search suggestions" in the Firefox search feature. YesScript can also be useful sometimes.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 2011-08-02, 22:39
Odysseus's Avatar
Odysseus Odysseus is offline
the hobbits to Otringal
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,454
And "ghostry" (!) and "Cookie Whitelist, With Buttons 1.0.3" all work with the firefox.
Thanks for the others.

And yes its crazy how people act like its just the info you willingly provide....they will take anything they can get their hands on basically.
__________________

http://forum.magicball.net/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2558&dateline=1285864225
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Facebook going to be subscribe only? SebZ Off topic 18 2010-01-18 23:42
Facebook Gustav Sweden Off topic 34 2009-01-03 16:16
The wonders of Facebook ChaosFish Off topic 25 2008-08-05 12:33
Internet Panda Off topic 46 2002-10-20 13:20


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:42.




News Feed
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, the Magicball Network