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Old 2011-08-09, 02:19
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England riots

I assume other MBNers have been following what's going on?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

There's actually more riots breaking out in other places... I'm in Pakistan at the moment (long story!) so I can't keep up properly, but what is happening sure is terrible and amazing.
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Old 2011-08-09, 02:34
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Yeah man pretty crazy shit, glad I'm in the countryside up north
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Old 2011-08-09, 03:29
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I read that there is some blame on the GTA series for the riots.
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Old 2011-08-09, 03:44
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I read that there is some blame on the GTA series for the riots.
There's always someone who tries to blame violent behaviour on videogames. I don't think those people are worth paying much attention to, honestly. The London riots are quite a strange event, although certainly not without historical precedent.
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Old 2011-08-10, 02:07
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I wouldn't want to be in England right now. Unfortunately Europe is too civilized to counter attack these faggots properly.
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Old 2011-08-10, 02:57
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Unfortunately european is too civilized to counter attack these faggots properly.
Remember when these kind of comments would lead to a 20+ page thread?
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Old 2011-08-10, 03:45
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I wouldn't want to be in England right now. Unfortunately european is too civilized to counter attack these faggots properly.
Well, they have increased the number of officers substantially, and there have been talks or rubber bullets and water cannons, although afaik these are not being used at the moment. I suppose there is always a fine line between ensuring the monopoly on violence and abusing it.
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Old 2011-08-10, 04:17
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Pretty hectic. Although there are no riots where i'm at. Police are a lot nicer down here, whereas the Met police in London are a bad case of nasty.

While I definately do not condone the riots, it seems that heavy handed police tactics are partly to blame, as much of the grievance is to do with targetted stop/search of racial minorities, the recent killing of a father of four, and the general lack of opportunity/economic situation. That said, I'm sure a number of the rioters are opportunistic, lazy, on welfare criminals. Hard to differenciate unfortunately.
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Old 2011-08-10, 08:23
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For those interested, Al-Jazeera has an interesting editorial piece on the riots.
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Old 2011-08-10, 14:59
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Can someone sum it up for me? What happened, exactly?
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Old 2011-08-10, 18:49
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Just got a minute to check up on the news. They're just burning peoples homes and bussinesses. Someone should set fire to the home's of rioters, see how they like it, useless welfare c**ts.
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Old 2011-08-10, 19:19
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The universial interpretation I've heard in German media is:
  • The growing gap between rich and poor and the cuts of the current government are huge factors influencing the riots. The youth has no perspective
  • That's still no excuse to just going around robbing people's stores, destroying there homes, etc. These people aren't demonstrators, they're criminals.
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Old 2011-08-10, 19:33
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I see, so that's what it's about. I recommend watching Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - it's a full length movie by a movement called Zeitgeist - it's a global movement that's about saving the world from the death of the current global economy system. I actually went to one of their meeting. The movie is fascinating, and there are some very smart observations and ideas there, you wouldn't regret watching it.
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Old 2011-08-10, 19:43
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Can someone sum it up for me? What happened, exactly?
We're not even sure. There was a peaceful protest against the shooting by police of a man called Mark Duggan, but I'm not sure of the details of that. That got completely out of hand. Then the violence started spreading across London and other areas of the UK with copycat crimes. Business windows being smashed, shops set light to, looting... and the police have completely lost control of the situation, which I hear is because their hands are tied and there's a limited amount they can do.

What amazes me is that non rioters have organised clean up operations across London. Go them!
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They're just burning peoples homes and bussinesses.
Yeah, quite useless, they got the attention they wanted, now... what? their reality won't change.
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Old 2011-08-10, 21:56
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This isn't a protest by the lower middle class, those who worked hard but were failed by the system nonetheless. This appears to be an opportunistic protest by those who weren't failed by the system, but those who caused the system to fail.

The UK is a great place to live if you want a proper opportunity to succeed in life, access to free education till University level, guaranteed loans at university level, free health care, job centers that help you find a job, etc...

There is absolutely no excuse for those who chose not to seek an education. Its all the more pathetic when many people I know, including myself, were brought up by parents from third world countries who crossed borders in red cross trucks and lived on bugger all financial sustenance and turned out to be doctors, engineers etc...

Not to mention, I have yet to see any banners defining their cause. In a protest, people carry banners that clearly state the issue they have, or the solution they expect. All I saw so far has been baklava clad chavs carrying 50inch plasmas from burning shops. In short, I do believe that much of the rioting is in fact criminal in nature, with no political purpose.
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There is absolutely no excuse for those who chose not to seek an education. Its all the more pathetic when many people I know, including myself, were brought up by parents from third world countries who crossed borders in red cross trucks and lived on bugger all financial sustenance and turned out to be doctors, engineers etc...
Be quiet. Otherwise the gangstas in my city's ghetto may get their feelings hurt.
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Old 2011-08-11, 00:02
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I have a friend in London... his streets had windows broken too the night before. He seems cool about it tho.
He kinda makes it seem like this was bound to happen.
Lol and he isn't a chav. :P

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We're not even sure. There was a peaceful protest against the shooting by police of a man called Mark Duggan, but I'm not sure of the details of that. That got completely out of hand. Then the violence started spreading across London and other areas of the UK with copycat crimes. Business windows being smashed, shops set light to, looting... and the police have completely lost control of the situation,
which I hear is because their hands are tied and there's a limited amount they can do.
They "stand down" to not let it escalate. Keeping the violence spiral low.
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What amazes me is that non rioters have organised clean up operations across London. Go them!
Indeed, well doesnt amaze me... but indeed go them!
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This isn't a protest by the lower middle class, those who worked hard but were failed by the system nonetheless. This appears to be an opportunistic protest by those who weren't failed by the system, but those who caused the system to fail.

The UK is a great place to live if you want a proper opportunity to succeed in life, access to free education till University level, guaranteed loans at university level, free health care, job centers that help you find a job, etc...

There is absolutely no excuse for those who chose not to seek an education. Its all the more pathetic when many people I know, including myself, were brought up by parents from third world countries who crossed borders in red cross trucks and lived on bugger all financial sustenance and turned out to be doctors, engineers etc...

Not to mention, I have yet to see any banners defining their cause. In a protest, people carry banners that clearly state the issue they have, or the solution they expect. All I saw so far has been baklava clad chavs carrying 50inch plasmas from burning shops. In short, I do believe that much of the rioting is in fact criminal in nature, with no political purpose.

This, so very much.
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Old 2011-08-11, 06:54
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I agree with Axx. Everyone should.
And, let's laugh a litte about it.
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Old 2011-08-11, 07:52
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This isn't a protest by the lower middle class, those who worked hard but were failed by the system nonetheless. This appears to be an opportunistic protest by those who weren't failed by the system, but those who caused the system to fail.

The UK is a great place to live if you want a proper opportunity to succeed in life, access to free education till University level, guaranteed loans at university level, free health care, job centers that help you find a job, etc...

There is absolutely no excuse for those who chose not to seek an education. Its all the more pathetic when many people I know, including myself, were brought up by parents from third world countries who crossed borders in red cross trucks and lived on bugger all financial sustenance and turned out to be doctors, engineers etc...

Not to mention, I have yet to see any banners defining their cause. In a protest, people carry banners that clearly state the issue they have, or the solution they expect. All I saw so far has been baklava clad chavs carrying 50inch plasmas from burning shops. In short, I do believe that much of the rioting is in fact criminal in nature, with no political purpose.
There has undoubtedly been a large amount of opportunism involved in the riots. That said, the UK does have issues, as does any country, and it does seem plausible that some of those issues have caused the riots to proliferate more than they otherwise would have. For instance, I think it is logical to say that people who view themselves as productive members of society are much less likely to take part in riots like those we've seen than those who don't see themselves as being productive and therefore do not feel that they are part of the society in which they live. Now, there may be different reasons for people not being productive members of society. There may well be people who prefer to scrounge off of benefits, probably because that's all they've known all their lives and they can't see themselves living any other way. But it does seem to me that there are probably others who would like to be productive but feel that they are not able to become productive due to high unemployment and a lack of available resources. Does this mean they should go out and riot, destroying homes and lives? No. Does it make rioting excusable? Absolutely not. But it does make rioting and opportunistic looting more likely. And therefore it is something that, as a society, the UK should look to address.
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But it does seem to me that there are probably others who would like to be productive but feel that they are not able to become productive due to high unemployment and a lack of available resources.
Many people who are employed also probably dont feel very productive.

I don't agree with all they say, but the Zeitgeist movement Choas points to has some reasonable ideas on this subject.

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Needs to be a full investigation of course, and any unneccessery killing is inexcusable.
Doesnt sound like the the guy was completely innocent either however.

Of course, the whole News Of the World stuff probably weakened trust in the police too.
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Tensed...

All got tensed after this incident. It creates a huge violence everywhere in London.
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I read an article blaming this on global warming. Apparently some "particles from the sun alter the human biology and make people violent". lolz.
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