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Old 2007-07-15, 16:09
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A nice poster. (Piracy/DVD related)




I couldn't possible agree more.

http://broken-tv.blogspot.com/2007/0...since-and.html

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The reason this is the case is that, from our extensive research, we know that many people who buy counterfeit products also buy legitimate products. Therefore, the placement of anti-piracy trailers on legitimate DVDs is still an essential way of targeting those who also buy pirated copies.
--Their excuse.

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As for us? Well, we've noticed that a lot of child abusers tend to drive cars. With that in mind, we've decided to lobby Parliament and the motor industry into introducing a new measure. With any luck, from next year, every time you start the engine of your car, you will be forced to listen to a graphic three minute speech about child abuse before you can actually go anywhere. Don't like the sound of that? Tough shit, it's for the greater good.
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Old 2007-07-15, 16:24
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I like the counter argument.

Those anti-pirate ads never bothered me much though tbh.
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Old 2007-07-15, 16:36
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Theft != Software Piracy

I hate it when people abuse emotionally-charged words.
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Old 2007-07-15, 17:24
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Obviously someone have calculated that in the end they are going to make profit on having those videos with annoying anti-piracy propaganda. So there is no reason to take it off unless people boycott those movies.

For me, I don't give the slightest since I almost never watch movies, and never ever rent or borrow movies that contain more material than just the movie, I just download.
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Old 2007-07-15, 19:42
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LOL super argument also, I didn't know those ads were present even in the legal DVDs
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Old 2007-07-15, 20:46
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LOL super argument also, I didn't know those ads were present even in the legal DVDs
It's not like they have control over illegal DVDs
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Old 2007-07-15, 21:26
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I once has to clean the DVD after watching half a movie, after that I had to wait for those damn anti piravy crap for a couple of minutes before continueing the movie
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the thing I hate the most is the black & white transition ( some DVDs have that )
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Old 2007-07-15, 21:55
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That's only with DVD screeners which no one except some film critics get to see. We're talking about legal retail DVDs here.
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Old 2007-07-15, 22:03
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Those anti-pirate ads never bothered me much though tbh.
Really? Even unskipable ones on DVDs you have paid for?!!

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Obviously someone have calculated that in the end they are going to make profit on having those videos with annoying anti-piracy propaganda. So there is no reason to take it off unless people boycott those movies.
Exactly.
Everytime I see one i feel like writting to the publisher and telling them I am giving 10 copys to random people

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For me, I don't give the slightest since I almost never watch movies, and never ever rent or borrow movies that contain more material than just the movie, I just download.
...unfortuntely, your boycott isnt worth much then

Personaly, when I enjoy a movie, tv show, or game I feel very much in the wrong if I dont pay for it.
I dont care if its theft or not, but If I didnt pay for say...Lost, Paprika, PrisonBreak, My Name is Earl, or any of the ghibli films then I would feel very much moraly wrong.
By paying for stufff I enjoy I reward the creators, and encourage more stuff like it to be made.

DVD sales factor hugely into renewal choices these days. (eg, Futurama, Family Guy ect).


What annoys me extremely about these stupid piracy ad's is a boycut wouldnt just hurt the publisher, but the creators too
Publishers and Distributors can, frankly, go fuck themselfs.

But I want the creators to get rewarded for making stuff I love

The sooner we cut out the middle men the better, imho.
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Old 2007-07-15, 22:23
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Personaly, when I enjoy a movie, tv show, or game I feel very much in the wrong if I dont pay for it.
I dont care if its theft or not, but If I didnt pay for say...Lost, Paprika, PrisonBreak, My Name is Earl, or any of the ghibli films then I would feel very much moraly wrong.
By paying for stufff I enjoy I reward the creators, and encourage more stuff like it to be made.
Exactly.

More people should have your attitude - and the first step in achieving that is treating people (costumers or not) respectfully.

That means mainly 2 things:
  1. Don't make piracy illegal - a law which can't be enforced will only make people more defensive and keen to break it. Give people a choice, officially.
  2. Don't abuse words - Theft is not Piracy. Talk to people as if they're intelligent and they will become intelligent. Educate by being straight, not by scaring and misinforming.
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Old 2007-07-15, 23:00
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Really? Even unskipable ones on DVDs you have paid for?!!
Let's review; they're not exactly that long, and when I'm gonna watch a movie, I usually put the DVD in the player then get ready, grab the popcorn/drinks etc. I watch most movies with people as well so I have to gather everyone up.

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Personaly, when I enjoy a movie, tv show, or game I feel very much in the wrong if I dont pay for it.
Right with you. I get a lot of my music from friends, copied CDs, flash drives, the usual stuff, and if I am really impressed with something I will actually go out and pay for it, despite the fact I already have it.

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More people should have your attitude...
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That means mainly 2 things:
  1. Don't make piracy illegal - a law which can't be enforced will only make people more defensive and keen to break it. Give people a choice, officially.
I'm sorry, but it is theft, and on a massive scale! (depending on how the pirate movie is obtained of course,) They take the copies of the movies which are not theirs to own, and then distribute it to other, making profit for themselves.

It can't be easily enforced, but neither can a lot of things, like the latest smoking ban. I think saying that people will want to do something more because it is illegal is rubbish; it puts a lot of people off, just in case.
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Old 2007-07-16, 01:16
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I'm sorry, but it is theft, and on a massive scale! (depending on how the pirate movie is obtained of course,) They take the copies of the movies which are not theirs to own, and then distribute it to other, making profit for themselves.
No. It is NOT theft. I'm sorry, but this is important. Theft (taking AWAY something physical from someone) is a different crime than copyright infraction (USING "metal property" without paying money to its legal owner).
It might seem trivial, but this is important.
Before you go right ahead and try to dismiss me, please take a few minutes to think about that.
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It can't be easily enforced, but neither can a lot of things, like the latest smoking ban. I think saying that people will want to do something more because it is illegal is rubbish; it puts a lot of people off, just in case.
I'm not talking in theory. In *practice*, no one gives a shit about this law except for people who are too misinformed so to think that breaking this law in itself will make them suffer for it one way or another.
If you recommend it instead of trying to scare people, they might actually listen to you.
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Old 2007-07-16, 09:54
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Well, here it's first the copyright disclaimer (unskippable), then some lame anti-piracy ad that lasts up to minutes (also unskippable).
After that comes movie content, I once even rented a DVD that had an unskippable preview of a movie.

The new "filmwereld.net" ads they show in .nl are aweful, they really last a couple of minutes or something..
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Old 2007-07-16, 12:52
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how can they be unskippable ??? can't u set the bar forward ?
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Old 2007-07-16, 13:04
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btw, this is the filmwereld.net crap they are including these days on Dutch DVDs. And it's usually unskippable.
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Old 2007-07-16, 13:38
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dang !!! how long is such a part ??? I'd go freakin' crazy u know
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Old 2007-07-16, 13:50
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well.. that thing is 41 seconds, and I guess the copyright notice is about 15 seconds, including loading o the menu I would say over a minute until you see the movie.
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No. It is NOT theft. I'm sorry, but this is important. Theft (taking AWAY something physical from someone) is a different crime than copyright infraction (USING "metal property" without paying money to its legal owner).
Of course, I understand what you're saying, but sometimes the actual DVD of the movie is stolen and then copied and sold. You get some really good quality sometimes, which would not be possible by taking a little camera in and filming the whole thing from the back...
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oh ... well that's bareable I guess
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dang !!! how long is such a part ??? I'd go freakin' crazy u know
are me and el the only one who get this?
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lol the way I said it was odd indeed sorry
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There was an old joke, in the times of the martial law, when you couldn't produce alcohol by yourself, and an old Highlander had all the tools needed to make alcohol, but he didn't used them, and when the police known about that, they wanted to sue him; he said "why? I'm not using them!", the reply was "but you have the means!", so he said:

"Then sue me for rape while you're at it, becouse I've got the damn tools!"
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Anyway, I really don't see how this will stop piracy ... in fact it will make us even more angry and refuse to buy the damn things

Jasiek, did u get the 3dgs-related PM ???
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No. It is NOT theft. I'm sorry, but this is important. Theft (taking AWAY something physical from someone)
Well, this is why I said it dosnt mater what you call it.

Because, you can view it very much as taking away something from someone....or not.
It all depends on semantics and definitions.

Think of it this way;

If I make something digitaly for 10 people. 10 people pay me, and that gives me money to make the next.

However, if one of them pays me, copys it, and gives it to the other 9, then I dont have any money, and cant make any more.

Nothing has been stolen physically,at not one point has anything been "taken"
Yet the effect is identical.
I have lost out, others have gained.

So I see little point arguing over what its called.

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Very true.
That goes for a lot of things.

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Let's review; they're not exactly that long, and when I'm gonna watch a movie, I usually put the DVD in the player then get ready, grab the popcorn/drinks etc. I watch most movies with people as well so I have to gather everyone up.
You have more patients then me. I find the whole room of people gets pissed of when viewing with friends.
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