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Old 2003-05-05, 21:07
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Alone in the Dark 45th Greatist game ever according to IGN

hmz..tittle says it all really

I just thought youd like to know:
http://top100.ign.com/41-50.html

Could LBA be in the top 40? I dont know.
IGN's choices dont seem to be based on popularity, so hopefully it will get a look-in
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:19
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Let's hope so

I'm expecting to see Outcast, Deus Ex, Half-Life and Final Fantasy VII in the remaining 40 too.

This is a recent list from magazine Entertainment Weekly and games channel G4. No LBA, no AitD.

100 - Missile Command (Arcade)
99 - X-Com:UFO Defense (PC)
98 - Frogger (Arcade)
97 - Secret of Mana (SNES)
96 - M.U.L.E. (C64)
95 - Golden Axe (Arcade)
94 - IL2-Sturmovik (PC)
93 - Joust (Arcade)
92 - Super Star Wars (SNES)
91 - Spy Hunter (Arcade)
90 - Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped (PSX)
89 - Castle Wolfenstein (PC)
88 - Fifa Soccer 2003 (Multiplatform)
87 - Battlezone (Arcade)
86 - Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo (Arcade)
85 - Prince of Persia (PC)
84 - Asteroids (Arcade)
83 - Daytona USA (Arcade)
82 - Ghouls N Ghost (Arcade)
81 - Gauntlet (Arcade)
80 - Silent Hill 2 (PS2)
79 - King's Quest series (PC)
78 - Defender (Arcade)
77 - Saturn Bomberman (Saturn)
76 - Phantasy Star series (Sega Master System)
75 - Wave Race 64 (N64)
74 - Robotron 2084 (Arcade)
73 - Driver (PSX, PC)
72 - Animal Crossing (GC)
71 - Bust a Move 2 (PSX)
70 - Homeworld (PC)
69 - Centipede (Arcade)
68 - Rollercoaster Tycoon (PC, XBox)
67 - Tennis 2K2 (DC)
66 - Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat (PC,PSX, Saturn)
65 - Devil May Cry (PS2)
64 - Samurai Shodown (Neo Geo, Gameboy)
63 - R-Type (Arcade)
62 - Max Payne (Multiplatform)
61 - Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn)
60 - Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2 (PC)
59 - Balduers Gate & Baldur's Gate 2: Shadow of Amn (PC)
58 - Virtua Fighter 4 (PS2)
57 - Tempest (Arcade)
56 - Lemmings (Multiplatform)
55 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (Multiplatform)
54 - NBA Jam (Arcade)
53 - Mike Tyson's Punch Out (NES)
52 - Wing Commander 1 & 2 (PC)
51 - Contra (PC, NES)
50 - Pitfall! (Atari 2600)
49 - Pokemon (Gameboy)
48 - Chrono Trigger (SNES)
47 - Tron (Arcade)
46 - Unreal (PC)
45 - Donkey Kong (Arcade)
44 - Age of Empires 2 (PC)
43 - NHL'93 (Genesis)
42 - Quake 2 (PC)
41 - Deus Ex (PC)
40 - Dance Dance Revolution (Arcade)
39 - Mortal Kombat 2 (Multiplatform)
38 - Sonic The Hedgehog (Genesis)
37 - Simcity (PC)
36 - Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (Xbox)
35 - Battlefield 1942 (PC)
34 - Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar (Multiplatform)
33 - Duke Nukem 3D (PC)
32 - Tekeen 2 (PSX)
31 - Diablo 2 (PC)
30 - Mario Kart 64 (N64)
29 - Medal of Honor: Assault Assault (PC)
28 - Galaga (Arcade)
27 - Monkey Island 2: Lechuck's Revenge (PC)
26 - Command & Conquer: Red Alert (PC)
25 - Star Wars: X-Wing Alliance (PC)
24 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX)
23 - Metal Gear Solid (PSX)
22 - Resident Evil (GC)
21 - Everquest (PC)
20 - Super Metroid (SNES)
19 - Ms. Pac Man (Arcade)
18 - Soul Calibur (DC)
17 - Tomb Raider (PSX)
16 - Halo (Xbox)
15 - Civilization 2 (PC)
14 - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (Multiplatform)
13 - Gran Turismo (PSX)
12 - Final Fantasy VII (PSX)
11 - Goldeneye 007 (N64)
10 - Street Fighter 2 (Multiplatform)
9 - Starcraft/Warcraft (PC)
8 - Super Mario 64 (N64)
7 - The Sims (PC)
6 - Half-Life (PC, PS2)
5 - Madden 2003 (Multiplatform)
4 - Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)
3 - Tetris (PC)
2 - Doom (PC)
1 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
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Doom and Tetris and Madden and GTA 3 before Mario 64? Fucking retarded list.

And Starcraft/Warcraft in 10th place? How retarded can you be? They are even before FF7. Retarded.
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:28
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A really weird list indeed. SimCity and Warcraft II in such low places?
Well, LBA might be there... somewhere .
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:29
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well, I would put any faith in a list that thinks DOOM is the second greatest game ever D



Heck, Loz:Ocarina of Time isnt even there?!!!
Thats the best game ever according to Metacritic (which takes the everage review scores from multiple sources)
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:30
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A good #1. But seriously, almost every Zelda game needs to be in the top 100.
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:34
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IMO all lists suck.

I can always guess what's in the top 10, and all of them well...lack certain creativity

So I don't have any hope on lists.
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:37
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What? Lists rule!
Even though you may guess what's in the top 10, they're always interesting.
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:38
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Phew, I thought I was the only one who found the list pretty stupid (though I haven't really played any of the console games on the list, so I only looked at the PC ones)
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:40
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IMO all lists suck.

I can always guess what's in the top 10, and all of them well...lack certain creativity

So I don't have any hope on lists.
I dont think you can always guese...I wouldnt have expected any list to put doom at the top, and I certainly wouldnt expect Ocarina of time to be nowhere on it.
Lists IMO are great because you disgree with them, if a list was pefect you wouldnt need to talk about it

My site was going to have a top-ten list of lists
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Old 2003-05-05, 21:43
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Nah, how often do you find the truly unique pieces on them instead of the commurcial shit?

and I just can't stand a bunch of people thinking their list of games matters
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Old 2003-05-05, 22:24
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Nah, how often do you find the truly unique pieces on them instead of the commurcial shit?
Well, so far that IGN list has been fairly good, quite a few of the games on it arnt exactly mainstream
Then again, im bias, because there almost all oldies, im a retrogamer.
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weird lists, it can't be a top 100 of all time, it misses quite some classics.

and come on.. halo on 16th ?! or Goldeneye 007 on 11th
no Asteroids, no PacMan, not even Myst
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Old 2003-05-06, 11:19
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I put more faith in the IGN list, so far it seems pretty good.
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However, I believe Wackos list dosn't allow more then one game of the same series....hence only one Zelda game ect.

But I still say Doom at number 2 is just O_o

This is a reasonable fair list:

1. Nintendo 64: Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998) 99
Nintendo


2. Playstation: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (2000) 98
Activision


3. Dreamcast: Soul Calibur (1999) 98
Namco


4. Nintendo 64: Goldeneye 007 (1997) 98
Nintendo


5. PC Games: Championship Manager 4 (2003) 97
Eidos Interactive


6. Playstation 2: Grand Theft Auto III (2001) 97
Rockstar Games


7. Nintendo 64: Perfect Dark (2000) 97
Nintendo


8. Dreamcast: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (2000) 97
Activision


9. Playstation 2: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2001) 97
Activision


10. GameCube: Metroid Prime (2002) 97
Nintendo


11. Dreamcast: NFL 2K1 (2000) 97
Sega


12. Xbox: Halo (2001) 96
Microsoft


13. GameCube: Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (2003) 96
Nintendo


14. GameCube: Soul Calibur II (2003) 96
Namco


15. Playstation: Tekken 3 (1998) 96
Namco


16. PC Games: Half-Life (1998) 96
Sierra Studios


17. Playstation: Gran Turismo (1998) 96
Sony Computer Entertainment America


18. Playstation 2: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) 96
Rockstar Games


19. PC Games: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (2000) 96
Interplay


20. Playstation 2: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001) 95
Konami

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Thps 2 on #2 ??
and Soul Calibur on #3

I only say one thing, only trust your own list
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aitd deserves to be sooooooo much higher. i think the most important factor in a game is originality, and in originality aitd is one of the top ten games ever. so there
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And again I'm sceptic of that list, noticing how little PC games are on it?

and a game with a good review score doesn't always make it a good game (how many people were disillusioned of B&W after a few weeks of playing?)
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Old 2003-05-06, 14:20
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yer, but B&W didnt get very good reviews either.
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Of course your going to disagree with any list, but with the metacritic list I can see the quality of all the games at the top, even if I dont like them.
eg, I dont like Fighting games at all really, but out of fighting games I see that Soul Caliber is an extreamly good one.
Namco certainly put a lot of effort into the game.
It might not disverse its place, but I see a reason for it.
Same goes for GoldenEye and Perfect Dark, I see they are excelent games,with huge dose's of oringinality,but I dont like FPS much.

However, a list that has Doom at number 2 I dont get at all...
If they chose it for oringinality...then why not Wolfinstine3D?
And if it was for game then there are far better ones to choose.
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And as for the lack of PC games, well, thats because its much harder for a PC game to be enjoyable.
Im curious Neverwinter isnt up ther though..
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That's bull! Why is it harder for a pc game to be enjoyable?!

And sorry to say but NWN is DEFINITLY not the best pc game ever or something even when looking in a commurcial perspective

oh and B&W got perfect reviews
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Pah BG in the sixties?? Phools!!! And Half Life #32?? I hope to see Grim Fandango and the MIs higher up on the charts. GF hopefully very high.

P.S. Atre, BG2 0WNZ NwN (except maybe in multiplayer, but BG2 is more fun all round).
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You cant say NwN is worse then BG2 unless you have played most of the modules made for it (theres plenty of 1 player ones), thats the problem with trying to compare them.
NwN isnt just a game, its raw potential.
(eg, Some people are making Planescape modules for it...)
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That's bull! Why is it harder for a pc game to be enjoyable?!
Because of
a) Controlls (sorry, keyboards where never meant for games, if you think there betters thats just because your used to them)

b) It has to be developed to support many pieces of hardware not just 1.

c) Set up, Errors, Glitchs, Patchs....far more physical problems with games.

So, in order for a PC game to be enjoyable It has too compansat for all of these things.
Many PC games do, of course.
I think you missinterpreted what im saying judging by the "?!".
Im saying its harder for developers to make a good PC game, not that they dont exist.

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And sorry to say but NWN is DEFINITLY not the best pc game ever or something even when looking in a commurcial perspective
I never said it was. (duh, LBA)
But it is certainly -one- of the best, the time spent making it was huge, but the result is people will be playing it for years to come.
Getting a game so customisable is very tricky, but they succedd, and it looks like modules will not only continue to be made for years to come, but they will get better and better for years to come as well.
You cant judge the game just from included modules, as that undermines the majoirty of what the game is.
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Probably top 5 if limited to PC.


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Not from what I read, (which always comes down to EDGE or IGN)
"Great, but wheres the game?"
Could sum up what I read.
Besides, I would list it in the top 100, in the same why I would list Wolfistine3D, a game thats not brillent in itself, but groundbrakingly original enough for features of it to be nicked and included in games that are great for years to come.
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That list is pretty awful ^^

heh, I hate how the best games are overlooked. Most lists would put Halo in the top 20 and leave Earthbound and Little Big Adventure out altogether...

Now, Ocarina isn't mentioned? What's the world coming to?
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Indeed it is.
but check out the list at ign:
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Seems much better to be less "popular" choices, and more "real" choices.
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Also PC games often have more focus on lots of features and lots of options and tech stuff and realism, while console games just focus on the actual gaming experience.
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