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Old 2003-08-18, 07:16
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WTF! NO, of corz I don't mean online gaming when I say connectivity. Djeez, and I also don't say it's nintendo only. I only say this won't be a really fair competition.
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My mistake.
What is connectivity then?
You mean, that's plugged into an outlet, rather then being portable?

(btw, i didn't know online gamingon a console was so old!! )
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BTW. is it true PSP uses discs? don't you need savecards then?
Yes,it uses it needs SONY memory sticks. (which flopped compared to Panasonics SD card format, but sony refuse to give up on them....)
Which I think sucks.

Your quite right about the PSP, sony just saw another good idea of Nintendos and thought they would steal it.
They were probably scared that the GC/GBA link would take of in a big way. (after all, GBA owners far outway GC owners, Nintendo could multiply there market share upto sonys level if they got them all to buy GCs)

Compition is good, but I would want ti to come from a company that makes a better product, and dosnt need a brand name to sale there machine.
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Online gamming is pretty darn old.
Before consoles were consoles really (I mean, microcomputers and such like the C64....)

The SNES had an even weirder feature...you could download things ver a special Japan TV channel

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Portable video games and connectivity between them is quite obvious.
Then how comes portable games and home games have been around almost 15 years but its only just happened?

Easy to say its obvious after the event....

L&R buttons, Analog stick, z-lock on controlls,,force feedback,4 player as standared ect ect.

There all "obvious", and yet some how Sony are never the first to have them....odd that
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Old 2003-08-18, 21:39
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I rather have cartridges which can hold less info, the discs that need memory cards. Mem. cards for a handheld suck dig time. Also, I'm afraid the last home for 2D platformers will change.
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I thought discs would be cheaper... but games are still £40 =/
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hehe, a love sarcasm.

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I rather have cartridges which can hold less info, the discs that need memory cards. Mem. cards for a handheld suck dig time. Also, I'm afraid the last home for 2D platformers will change.
Good grief...you have no idea how much I agree with you
I *much* prefer carts, no memory cards, no loading, and custom chips possible (think Starfox: The super FX chip )

Heck, Carts could have loads of cool stuff.

Remember the megadrive Micro Machines game?
It had an extra controll port on the cartridge

Or Sonic & Knuckles cart that let you fit other carts on top to put Knuckles in those games?

Cd's might have stored more, but then, gameplay dosnt take up much space....just FMVs

Heres hopeing the NES-5 use's some hybred technology
Or maybe just Panasonic SD cards...... (Withen 2 years panasonic thinks they will have 10 GB ones.......)

Nintendo is quite close with panasonic, and they do have that SD adapter for the gamecube..so maybe...just maybe...


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Also, I'm afraid the last home for 2D platformers will change.
Yes, alas you are correct.
Not just platformers...the whole of 2D gamming might vanish with the next gen of hand helds

Even the GBA is rappidly becoming a 3D machine.
Raylight, AGB/pocketers, PAYBACK...... theres some excelent 3D engines for it now....but...im scared 2D will go

At least its had a bit of clasp on the Gamecube recently.
I mean, Viewfull Joe, Mega Man, quality 2D games

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I thought discs would be cheaper... but games are still £40 =/
You paying for the games development cost, not the media used to store the game.
eg.
CD = 1p to make
DVD= 5p to make
Cart = £3-5 to make

Carts more expensive, but its not much compared to £40.

Alas, games cost a hell of a lot to make these days, hundreds of people, years of development.

However, with DVDs/CDs/GCCDs at least there can be "budget" ranges at a lower cost.
(Players Choice, White Label ect ect)
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I mean, OMFG. I thought "Trustworthy Computing" (read more in Kieron's link) would be something that'd never succeed, but it's already starting.
I do not use Windows anymore, therefore there isn't even a way to update this for me, but you Windows users should wonder: "a security update, okay, but with what purpose? what will it do?"
Notice this is not mentioned in the e-mail. They just say you have to update and that's it.
This, my friends, is the danger with closed source. You lose control of your computer, since you do not know what your software is doing.
This also means another thing. If these "security updates" are necessary to the Windows/MSN messenger clients, what will happen to the other clients, such as the one I use, Gaim? They will surely not have "security updates". Does that mean that, if I do not subject to Skyne- I mean TCPA, I won't be able to use the MSN messenger networks anymore?
I hope the community hackers find a way to solve this out.
Microsoft started to act. I think this was really a big deal, I mean it, because Microsoft is saying that the users who will not subject to their TCPA inniciative will not be able to use their products. This means the thousands of users from other clients, such as Trillian and Gaim, will not be able to access MSN.
Do not update. Wait. Check out what will happen first. If you have the minimum of conscience about the future, wait.
And yes, I'm serious, damn serious. -_-
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Old 2003-08-19, 07:04
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Viewtifull's gonna be sweet. But I heard a rumor about VJ going PS2 (PN03 too, but that's less bad, I think) That'd suck really very BIG time.

2D may never die. It are the 2D platformers that made me buy a GBA. Simple games like Lady Sia got something 3D can't beat. Cant wait for Black Thorne-port either. I loved killing the prisoners when I was young. Delightful
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Blackthorne...I played that when i was 7 years old. I never finished i though. A few months ago i downloaded it somewhere (a snes rom i believe ^^ and finished it. It's a great game!

What's blackthorne port though?
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Old 2003-08-19, 19:35
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I'm just saying BlackThorne's gonna get ported to GBA. And this is a port I must have.
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For anyone even thinking about getting an Xbox...
Just don't and buy a Gamecube. But seriously the PSP is just being launched so that Sony can get more money and cut off Nintendo's most successful profit area in the hadnheld market. I don't know if GBA-GC connectivity is much of a threat right now, at the moment it has only been used well in a few games, but later it should get better.
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Exactly my thought.
Few games use it correctly now (I mean, only 5 or so).
But once developers realize the potential, I think it will become an essiental feature.

The PSP is purely out of sonys gread.
My only hope is PSP owners will pay a slight amount more to get an N-gage instead. (After all, thats only a bit more expensive, and thats a phone too...)


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I mean, OMFG. I thought "Trustworthy Computing" (read more in Kieron's link) would be something that'd never succeed, but it's already starting.
I do not use Windows anymore, therefore there isn't even a way to update this for me, but you Windows users should wonder: "a security update, okay, but with what purpose? what will it do?"
Notice this is not mentioned in the e-mail. They just say you have to update and that's it.
This, my friends, is the danger with closed source. You lose control of your computer, since you do not know what your software is doing.
This also means another thing. If these "security updates" are necessary to the Windows/MSN messenger clients, what will happen to the other clients, such as the one I use, Gaim? They will surely not have "security updates". Does that mean that, if I do not subject to Skyne- I mean TCPA, I won't be able to use the MSN messenger networks anymore?
I hope the community hackers find a way to solve this out.
Microsoft started to act. I think this was really a big deal, I mean it, because Microsoft is saying that the users who will not subject to their TCPA inniciative will not be able to use their products. This means the thousands of users from other clients, such as Trillian and Gaim, will not be able to access MSN.
Do not update. Wait. Check out what will happen first. If you have the minimum of conscience about the future, wait.
And yes, I'm serious, damn serious. -_-
Im just repeating it becauses its important
Microsoft are dangerious controll freaks, the sooner everyone realize's that the better.
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Viewtifull's gonna be sweet. But I heard a rumor about VJ going PS2 (PN03 too, but that's less bad, I think) That'd suck really very BIG time.

2D may never die. It are the 2D platformers that made me buy a GBA. Simple games like Lady Sia got something 3D can't beat. Cant wait for Black Thorne-port either. I loved killing the prisoners when I was young. Delightful
Been reading www.cube-europe.com have you?

Well, im not sure I believe the rumours, VJ isnt the sort of "big saler" for a ps2 type of person.
Maybe PNO3 though.
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Among others, yes, I read it there. When I first heard 2 of Capcom's Great 5 might go PS2, I thought it'd be Killer 7 and PN03, I never expected VJ. I don't think it's a PS2 game. Ahh, I just hope they both stay cube only.

For now, I just am f**king happy. I mean, "wait and see" is not a promise for AC going Europe, but I don't think you can go back after that sentence. And E-reader. YES!
I love you NINTENDO!(and SEGA too)
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indeed.

Have you released just how cool the e-card reader could be if some clever hackers got to work on it?

Amatuar games downloaded from the net
Or new items and such for AC.

Print out and scan
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Of corz I realise. That's why I am so happy.

I really wonder how Nintendo's new strategy:"try to get popular in places where this hardly/no concurrence", will go.
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There is one great big flucking reason not to get one:
YOU ARE HELPING THE BIGGEST,RICHEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD GET A FOOTHOLD IN ANOTHER MARKET PLACE.

Why am I the only person that sees how dangerious that is.
They shouldnt have been allowed to make a console.

My point was, the main reasons there are people that like the Xbox, is because of its GAMES.

Yes, i know how old this quote is...

what do you mean.. "allowed" everyone should be allowed to make a console. If they get a monopoly, well, thats fine, Nintendo had a huge monopoly before the Ps1 came in. Nintendo doesn't try all that hard to be original either. And while Atari ruled the console market, before the NES, Nintendo was trying to get into the console market, same as with microsoft right now.
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You're not getting DF's point. Nintendo only has their console(s) and games and therefor not as much influence as Microsoft, a company which only has a console to make fast money. (they didn't expect to lower prices like this)

And maybe you don't think Nintendo is original, but they certainly are. They always try to bring something new, or give a sequal a right to exist.
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Globalization is indeed a bad thing.
But it is not ilegal as far as i know.
Besides there is still a good lot of competition out there, so there's not reason to worry just yet.
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Theres nothing wrong with Globalsation, in fact.
Its a good thing.

Unfair trade and explotation unfortunatly are the bad things that go with it.
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Fireball~ Microsoft had a monopoly in a seperate industary, then used that monopoly to buy its way into another industary.
THATS the point that you missed so well.

The same goes for Sony.

They didnt gain their market position because of their product or inovations, they gained it because they already had a lot of money from another monopoly.

If a company with a monopoly is allowed to just buy its way into another industary where does it stop????!

Never.
Microsoft could buy up every industary on the planet if you let it.


Nintendo, Atari, Sega ect ect, they had other products.
Nintendo had trading cards, Sega had those cool Pocket Power toys ( I got some still ).

But they didnt have a monopoly, and they didnt "spread" into the games console buisness they MOVED.
Do Nintendo still make cards? No.
Do Sega still make mini rip-cord toys? No.

Because they moved it let other companys fill the gap they left.
Nintendo now liesence other companys to let them produce their pockmon cards and such.
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Yes but sony did very well in her previous industries, and they wanted to get into the video gaming industry.
Companies want to succeed, you know.
There's nothing wrong with that.
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The same goes for Sony.

They didnt gain their market position because of their product or inovations, they gained it because they already had a lot of money from another monopoly.
Sony did NOT have a monopoly, the eletronics market (which is Sony's market) is extremely competitive and a monopoly is something very hard to get in it. Monopoly = Microsoft, where 90% of computers run Windows. But certainly not 90% of houses have Sony TVs. There's Philco, Matsushita, Panasonic, LG, Samsung, Sharp, Aiwa, Siemens, and others. Sony did good in that market, but they certainly were not a monopoly.
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Twinsal: You double-posted...
Updates in the MSN case:
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