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Old 2013-03-20, 19:10
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Smile what makes you smile?

i thought this place could use a cheerful thread, so i ask: what makes you smile? things that makes me smile: my mates, when my code compiles, invader zim, and when a cute boy flirts with me
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You remind me so much of Ditzy but minus all the ponies
Ditzy didn't show any affection to programming before. And didn't have "mates". That's new.

What languages do you use, Pimmy? Did you get some kind of degree in programming, or is it just a hobby of yours? And what do you do currently (with it ) ?


Oh wait, wrong thread
Well, obviously programming makes me smile. More specificly, Java. Love it.
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I don't find them so alike... Ditzy was crazier

What makes me smile ? mmm... Monty Python's flying circus, solving a puzzle in Abe's Oddysee...
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I agree with J McKalling, Java makes me smile too. Especially when I realize two projects can share some code, or I made a neat new reusable widget object.

Other things;

Silly TV shows. I love Roger and the Rottentrolls, Adam West batman (especially the movie), Maid Marrien and her Merry Men,Better of Ted,The Goodies....that sort of thing.

oh, silly webshows too. Anything these guys make generally. They are like a modern flying circus for me - more original then any tv sketch show.
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Old 2013-03-21, 16:42
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god this forum has some serious emotional baggage. i've been here for a few days and this is already the second time i hear about this ditzy

jack i use c# and java
i'm studying for a degree in cs, so right now all my projects are studies related, no time for entrepreneurship hahaha
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Old 2013-03-21, 16:54
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Well if you're experiencing the pros and cons of C#, regardless of the educational flavour, I think java will very likely show you why DF and I prefer java above all.

C# might be a collection of pros from several languages and techniques that MIcrosoft thought would be great to put into one, Java will always be designed for a bigger audience. A higher user experience on the programmer part. It's flexible to use, offers a huge range of extendable tools you could use, wrap or enhance, it's inheritance model works extremely well, and all the other constucts are just so amazingly useful I couldn't possibly see why I should use concurrent solutions.

However you should try to find a way to use it for your personal ideas too, to be able to use your imagination and own ideas for the project, rather than be constrained by all the requirements and limitations your education asks of and sets for you.

Regarding baggage, well you aint seen nothin' yet... But regardless, don't you worry bout nothin I have a good faith in our capabilities and think there's full potential recover
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god this forum has some serious emotional baggage.


You ain't seen nothing yet, indeed! Hahaha.
It's all because of the trolls, we are sorry for this unpleasant feeling we gave you.

Oh and you can call me sgk if you'd like.

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WHAT MAKES ME SMILE: Noticing something new (musically) in songs I love and have already listened to thousands of times before. Finding new details such as hidden riffs, a certain harmonic structure, paying close attention to the bass line, a soft breath inbetween vocals, and other subtle things that makes me feel even more awed for that particular song.

Will think of other things later (maybe).
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WHAT MAKES ME SMILE: Noticing something new (musically) in songs I love and have already listened to thousands of times before.
That is so great !!! I've recently been to my house in France, my father has an amazing Hi-Fi installation, I was amazed by songs that I've known for more than 10 years ! Songs we listened to in the car during family holidays !
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Java will always be designed for a bigger audience. A higher user experience on the programmer part. It's flexible to use, offers a huge range of extendable tools you could use, wrap or enhance, it's inheritance model works extremely well, and all the other constucts are just so amazingly useful I couldn't possibly see why I should use concurrent solutions.
Plus when you discover that "Processing" thing people have been talking about is just Java code and you can suddenly reuse a skill you have to do completely different things altogether.
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I tend to think most frameworks built on top of java suffer the labyrinthine system syndrome. They are pointlessly complex for what they do. I have a preference for small languages which you can understand and predict entirely, like C or Javascript. If it has to be complex, then I find C++ can do everything Java/C# do and more, in a much more efficient and controlled manner.
That doesn't mean I'm completely reluctant to Java, in some particular instances, it is certainly the best choice. Although Scala seems to be an elegant alternative. I guess what really bothers me about Java is all the religious attitude towards it. What makes me smile, when it comes to programming, is discovering a new language, or a new paradigm, and learn how to make good use of it.
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I tend to think most frameworks built on top of java suffer the labyrinthine system syndrome. They are pointlessly complex for what they do.
Have you tried Processing?
http://www.processing.org/
Something about it makes me feel like I am writing QBASIC apps again :P

Something very immediate about it. Making your screen ripple with just a dozen lines of code. That sort of thing. Been using it to create Slit-scanning video special effects (which are awesome effects), I am sure my code is badly optimized, and it would run much better in another language. But it wouldn't be nearly as fun to play with.
No setup needed is a bonus too.
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However you should try to find a way to use it for your personal ideas too, to be able to use your imagination and own ideas for the project, rather than be constrained by all the requirements and limitations your education asks of and sets for you.
right now i'd rather focus my energy on getting good grades, i can experiment later
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You ain't seen nothing yet, indeed! Hahaha.
It's all because of the trolls, we are sorry for this unpleasant feeling we gave you.

Oh and you can call me sgk if you'd like.

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Will think of other things later (maybe).
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your name is now bibin
btw what is this friend request you sent me??


oooh i love it when i appreciate a song i knew for years in a new way!!
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... bibin...? err.



A friend request means we are now friends, so now I can come over to your house and grab yer cupcakes without asking.
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are we still talking about actual cupcakes?? hahaha
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right now i'd rather focus my energy on getting good grades, i can experiment later
That's fine, it's just a suggestion for sometime if you like
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are we still talking about actual cupcakes?? hahaha
Well, I am talking about those made with flour and lots of sugar, filling me stomach with joy.
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Well if you're experiencing the pros and cons of C#, regardless of the educational flavour, I think java will very likely show you why DF and I prefer java above all.

C# might be a collection of pros from several languages and techniques that MIcrosoft thought would be great to put into one, Java will always be designed for a bigger audience. A higher user experience on the programmer part. It's flexible to use, offers a huge range of extendable tools you could use, wrap or enhance, it's inheritance model works extremely well, and all the other constucts are just so amazingly useful I couldn't possibly see why I should use concurrent solutions.
Wow, my experience has been the complete opposite. I've been coding Java and C# professionally for 3 or 4 years now, and I wouldn't think twice to pick C# over Java. Yes, Java has better tools and a slightly richer library ecosystem, but C# is a much more elegant and practical language. And the .NET Framework Class Library is so much more modern and practical than the JCL.

I don't see how anyone who has real world experience with C# would prefer Java. For example, some features that I use in day-to-day code that make work much more pleasant: automatic properties, first class functions (and concise lambda syntax), real closures, anonymous types with concise syntax, type inference, improved generics, LINQ expressions, async & await, iterators, extension methods, expression trees, named arguments. I find that well written C# code is often shorter and more readable than the equivalent Java code.
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Of cource C# has stuff Java hasn't. It was partially based off Java too after all. I will not argue with you about which is better, you're just as entitled to your preference as I am.

I've read about Java's decline some time ago, and I understand more and more people are using other and better solutions.

But I'm using Eclipse for reference. Compared to Visual Studio, Eclipse will win. It allows you to customise the entire IDE; workbench, toolbars, menus, project settings, code formatting, code completion. I don't remember everything of VS, but it was so much harder to use than Eclipse.

That said, I find C# far much batter than any other language I know besides Java. I've created a windows tool fully capable of reading and writing complete excel worksheets, advanced I/O functionality, that even Java doesn't have (well, not before 7). I guess my experience is strongly related to the IDE...
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now I can come over to your house and grab yer cupcakes without asking.
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Of cource C# has stuff Java hasn't. It was partially based off Java too after all. I will not argue with you about which is better, you're just as entitled to your preference as I am.

I've read about Java's decline some time ago, and I understand more and more people are using other and better solutions.

But I'm using Eclipse for reference. Compared to Visual Studio, Eclipse will win. It allows you to customise the entire IDE; workbench, toolbars, menus, project settings, code formatting, code completion. I don't remember everything of VS, but it was so much harder to use than Eclipse.

That said, I find C# far much batter than any other language I know besides Java. I've created a windows tool fully capable of reading and writing complete excel worksheets, advanced I/O functionality, that even Java doesn't have (well, not before 7). I guess my experience is strongly related to the IDE...
Visual Studio is a limited IDE compared to Eclipse, no doubt. The ReSharper plugin brings some Eclipse features to C#, but it's still not the same thing. That's the main problem of the .NET environment: lack of quality open source tools. The Microsoft monopoly limits the growth of C#, unfortunately.
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Aye, and it is an absolute quality standard in my opinion, to have an IDE that functions like Eclipse, it really opens up the language and productivity. I forgot whether I mentioned it when I said I prefer Java, but I should have said that I prefer Java in Eclipse.

When comparing VS to Eclipse, I simply drown in tears after I let VS compile my project.
If you save your work, VS recompiles the entire project for you to refresh the binary stuff. Great, but it takes Eclipse a hell lot less time to do the same thing. Because Eclipse has the ability to compile fractions of code, as I understood it.

Lets keep it there. C# has lots of good stuff, you mentioned some that I also found when using VS, and Java has some as well that C# doesn't have. But the IDE is a lot more important than the language you're using. And the Eclipse/Java combination creates my preference.

Other than all this technical stuff, which I also wanted to point out to those who are now trying to throw sharp things at me, there are other things that make me smile as well. Just so you know
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Java has iterators, btw.

Generally I like to use the foreach style formating though:

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