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Old 2006-08-10, 01:26
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Agent dick dix. NSA.

Well i'm not sure what you would say to this. Has a man really the right to kill? can we take life?

Well...yes

Or is it?

Well this is what a book i'm reading about says:

The path to enlightenment is heralded with glory and jealousy.
You must choose between the two, no one will choost it for you.


Which brings me to my next point. the name of the book. it is no different from the title of the thread...................

But i think otherwise:
The problem is choice.
For example, think of a woman being raped in a dark alley.
She can either try to squeeze the rapists balls between her thighs or something., or she cannot.

Who decides this? god?
Many people here probably think so, but i don't.
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Old 2006-08-10, 01:45
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Well, you know, Oscar Wilde once said: "The gods too are fond of a joke; even fart jokes, if you may."

Although the divine intervention question is very important and intriguing, it's not necessarily the final one - and we must consider its consequences. If there's a God, how fair is him, does he have a sense of humour? etc. If there isn't a God, is it ok to kill people.

We must pay attention, in any case, to the relevance of hegelian dialectics in everyday life, as it's useful to solve the situations you proposed. In the rape scene, for an example. Logic would determine there's a thesis in the woman's wee-wee, an antithesis in the man's pee-pee, and a synthesis in their unsacred union. Thus should the woman oblige to the man?

Morally speaking, no. Also, maussurian perspectivism teaches the thesis, antithesis, synthesis could be located in other places, say the woman's knuckle, the man's balls, a crackling sound.

Well, there's a lot to debate here. To heat up the discussion, I quote Whitman:

"The inner freedom from the practical desire,
The release from action and suffering, release from the inner
And the outer compulsion, yet surrounded
By a grace of sense, a white light still and moving,
Erhebung without motion, concentration
Without elimination, both a new world
And the old made explicit, understood
In the completion of its partial ecstasy,
The resolution of its partial horror."
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Old 2006-08-10, 01:56
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If there's a God, how fair is him, does he have a sense of humour? etc. If there isn't a God, is it ok to kill people.
Allow me to quote Bruce Dickinson from the Iron Maiden song Hallowed Be Thy Name:

"If there's a god, why does he let me go?"

Many would dismiss that as just another piece of grim lyrics so characteristic of metal songs, but i think there's more to this.

And to back that up, I quote a more reputable source this time:
None other than albert Einstien - "God does not play dice"

If you combine these two quotes, the results are troubling, to say the least. As opposed to what many people think, maybe god is bealzebob, and the entity we think to be beal zebob is actually god.
In that case you must define the word god. Not an easy task for sure.

Same for the rape scene. The woman must be thinking "if there's a god, why does he let me be raped in me gashy-washy?"
Or something along those lines.
Well, that's my 2 cents.
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Old 2006-08-10, 05:07
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Despite the fact that the rethorics you guys are using suggest that you're not really serious about this whole deal, I'll reply seriously; Do so in your life, so as you won't regret anything, in other words, what has God got to do with anything? Either you're a good and a moral person or you're a bastard, the basic human right is the right to live and to live in dignity, other peoples freedoms end, when the freedoms of other start, so the only exception from invading someones "freedom" is in self defence. If you live by invading other peoples space and freedoms, you won't be judged by a tribunal or something, in the end, your conscience is your only judge. I think the question of God mixes wth the thread about dimensions, if God exists, he is surely a creature from the tenth dimension, he knows, knew and will know everything, and as he probably doesen't have a chemical brain, he's not a manic sadist, or a gambler, or a silly little joker, he might be the universe itself, and surely he is beyound our reason. If he's a Greek style god, of flesh and blood, than he's not the God, just a being with awesome powers. Emotions, instability, turbulence of charachter is an effect of the chemical process' in the brain. So to sum it up, I'll use the words of a Seraphin from Dogma ( ), "if God would speak to you other then through the voices of others, your ear drums would probably explode."
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Old 2006-08-10, 06:01
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Old 2006-08-10, 10:59
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Despite the fact that the rethorics you guys are using suggest that you're not really serious about this whole deal, I'll reply seriously; Do so in your life, so as you won't regret anything, in other words, what has God got to do with anything? Either you're a good and a moral person or you're a bastard, the basic human right is the right to live and to live in dignity, other peoples freedoms end, when the freedoms of other start, so the only exception from invading someones "freedom" is in self defence. If you live by invading other peoples space and freedoms, you won't be judged by a tribunal or something, in the end, your conscience is your only judge. I think the question of God mixes wth the thread about dimensions, if God exists, he is surely a creature from the tenth dimension, he knows, knew and will know everything, and as he probably doesen't have a chemical brain, he's not a manic sadist, or a gambler, or a silly little joker, he might be the universe itself, and surely he is beyound our reason. If he's a Greek style god, of flesh and blood, than he's not the God, just a being with awesome powers. Emotions, instability, turbulence of charachter is an effect of the chemical process' in the brain. So to sum it up, I'll use the words of a Seraphin from Dogma ( ), "if God would speak to you other then through the voices of others, your ear drums would probably explode."
Although I don't quite get your last quote, I see what you're saying in your posts. But you have to think that an individual's tregorum is different from the one of an entire society.
I mean, faith for one man can be a lot of things, but when religion became a nation-wide thing, the status quo of the equilibrium of energy changed conmpletely.
The satisdee in the whole thing is corrupt if you ask me, which is why i'm an atheist. Like the famous japanese philosopher Profferor Hojo once said: "The world is full of frivoulust things, but science? that remains forever"
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DEUS VULT! THE CROSS AND THE SWORD!

Let us embark on a crusade to the holy land, grab your Ak47s and follow me!
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Old 2006-08-10, 16:36
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grab your Ak47s and follow me!
What a pussy weapon.

Use fucking nukes, now that's ballsy.
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that wouldnt be much of a crusade would it, the fun thing would be if around 50 000 people came walking throught europe with ak47s
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It would most certainly be an awesome crusade, fucking armageddon-esque, shit blowing up everywhere, yes.
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bah, nukes are for pussies, we need to walk through europe and pick up volenteers for it to be any good.
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Old 2006-08-10, 18:10
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There was this old Polish joke from the socialism times, a guy found a golden fish and she said to him to ler her go an she'll grant him three wishes, so all his three wishes was for the chineese people to come here to Poland and go back to china. And after the whole thing the fish asked him, what's so fun in the chineese coming here and going back three times and he said " the soule thought of the chinese going six times through the USSR". Weapons are for pussies! Your hands and teeth are getting restless!
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I was taking a walk this morning when I noticed something smelled bad. This prompted me to check whether I had stepped on shit; my initial hypotesis proven negative, I proceeded to observe the terrain around me.
Soonly I realised the unpleasant odor came from a thrashed garbagebin nearby.

A thought then crossed my mind: who did this?
The thought was then crossed by another thought, "it could be anyone or anything, the agent's identity will never be known by me, the situation and the world are thus a conglomerate of an infinite number of possibilities, existance such a random play of

Absurdity then followed. I thought this could contribute to the debate... pleas e discuss.

P.S. Jasiek plz paragraph your text
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Medur, no offence, but that's a load of shit.
If you'd pay attention to the quotesi presented, coupled with my arguments you would see that existence is but a finite number of possible out comes to each event, thus limiting the space-time continuum strech across the expanse.
So you surely see my point about the monopolization of the church on the matter of garbage.
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tbh i feel this thread still has potential
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I don't get your opening post, could you rephrase/explain it for dumb me ?
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Moral choices are easy in principle. Whatever cause of action leads to minimizing harm is the correct one to take.
Determining what is the "least harm" in many situations can be tricky,but Id argue your a good person as long as its your goal.

In the case of rape, really, anything short of killing is probably "least" if it stops a rape and its your only option.

At least, I think thats what the original question was. maybe :P
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I think that all humans are incapable of fulfilling true morals without giving there life to Christ.
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But the Christ has his own life, what is he going to do with mine ?
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The purpose of Christ's life was to pay the price for sin through death. By his resurection we are adopted into the family of God if we accept his adoption of us. By giving our life to him, I mean to live as an obideint child. Similar to a child and his parent, we submit to our heavenly father and do his will because we know that he knows more than us, and loves us more than we can love. From Gods perspective, your right, God does not need our lives, but as a parent he wants to protect us, and for us to work in the world with him so that our understanding of him may grow. (like a parent wanting to spend time with his or her children) And this is only possible if we are in submission to Christ.
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Sorry, I really don't mean to be preachy, but I do hope I answered your question.
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I have a similar view on the matter, but with some differences.
I think that our purpose in life is to submit to the will of Allah, for he is the one true god. That, and amassing tauba.

Do I have enough tauba? will allah answer my prayers?
inshallah he will for he is the lord of the worlds.
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I think that all humans are incapable of fulfilling true morals without giving there life to Christ.
And this is why hell is exothermic;
http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/hell.asp
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Although I am atheist (I don't believe that humans have souls, I believe we are simply bodies), if I had to have a belief, it would be something closer to Toaism. I find it more believeable that there is some kind of... thing/being regulating the whole universe simply by existing.
Monoteist religions tend to humanise god way too much...

As for the original subject...
I'd say in the case of rape, for the victim to kill the rapist/would-be rapist is not morally wrong. Of course murder is morally worse than rape by a lot, but when it is happening, you have no idea what will happen to you during and afterward the act.
It's self-defense, rather him than me... "You need to cut off a finger to save a hand", so to speak.
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I think that all humans are incapable of fulfilling true morals without giving there life to Christ.
so, do you believe that muslims, buddhists, judaists, hinduist or whatever cannot "fulfill true morals" just because they were born in a specific part of the planet? Interesting. If I believed in resurrection I'd kill myself just to express my disappointment.
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