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Old 2002-11-15, 01:00
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Double-J...don't worry, I agree with your views on America and so on...I hate the way people people dismiss everything America does (it's very "in" to do that these days)...

But I won't go into politics now..
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Old 2002-11-15, 15:32
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Jay, Sorry I've been away so long, but what the hell's happened while I've been gone? People ganging up on you, pretentious gits insulting Great Britain...

Ok, I'll say what needs to be said about Gustav, who quite frankly, has had it in for Double Jay ever since he started posting his beliefs in the infamous political threads that marred this board with flames a while back. I told Gustav to lay-off his personal thoughts on Sept. 11th, which included finding people not respecting the deaths of the people involved "funny", and generally showing anti-American sentiments. I pointed this out to Gustav, and he stayed quiet. Apparently, this is not longer so.

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Old 2002-11-15, 18:32
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Old 2002-11-15, 19:09
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insulting Great Britain...
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who ever insulted great britain in the first place.. thats like saying "yeah they insulted me" when your protecting anoother guy to get involved:P j/k just wanted to point out no one insulted britain


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Old 2002-11-15, 19:31
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who ever insulted great britain in the first place.. thats like saying "yeah they insulted me" when your protecting anoother guy to get involved:P j/k just wanted to point out no one insulted britain
Axx, I didn't mean you or anyone being talked about on this thread, just generally on the forum. (Or in the case of insulting Britain, on the "UK Firefighter's Strike" thread. Shithole indeed...)

I'm not just "protecting another guy", I'm sticking up for a friend. If Jay says two board members have got a personal vendetta against him, and I know this to be a valid statement, I'm obliged to get involved. I've had my run-ins with Gustav, and I know what he's like, so I can empathise with Jay's situation.

Oh yeah, Gustav, funny how you can reply to another thread and call me "boring" and not speak for yourself on this one.

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Old 2002-11-15, 21:52
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This is getting ridiculous.

Double-J, this is quite childish. It's sad that you have to resort to turning the MBN against Gustav and myself, just because you couldn't win an argument over politics. OK, perhaps things got a bit over the top, but it takes two to argue. You're not so innocent yourself. And also your I never said anything about my feelings about the MBN having anything to do with new members. It just seems you made this false accusation because you are trying to get of me by causing people to dislike me.

But lets face it, as a result of this thread, you're only going to make me, you and Gustav look like idiots. Nobody has anything to benefit from this.

I can tell that you want either me or Gustav to start an argument here from looking at your posts, but I'm not going to that. We are both wrong, so let's just settle this maturely. I'll offer you a truce. If you apologise for starting this thread to trying to get the MBN to hate me (and Gustav), I'll apologise for attacking your political views. Then let's just forget all about this.

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Old 2002-11-15, 21:56
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Snapman, id just like to say that most posts in this thread has started with: I like snapman and gustav sweden.
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Old 2002-11-15, 22:11
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Double-J, this is quite childish. It's sad that you have to resort to turning the MBN against Gustav and myself, just because you couldn't win an argument over politics.
Jeeze, it couldn't be that I was being ganged up on by at least 2 people, who wouldn't even listen to my opinions and think about them. And I am not turning the MBN against you two- you are doing it to yourself . That channel is public knowledge dammit.

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And also your I never said anything about my feelings about the MBN having anything to do with new members. It just seems you made this false accusation because you are trying to get of me by causing people to dislike me.
I wish I had saved the log from the other day...
However, even if you didn't say it, you obviously agreed with 'Stavs comments about n00b's.



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But lets face it, as a result of this thread, you're only going to make me, you and Gustav look like idiots. Nobody has anything to benefit from this.


This thread was created so that you could explain to us how you would make the forum better and stop bitching about it.

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I'll offer you a truce. If you apologise for starting this thread to trying to get the MBN to hate me (and Gustav), I'll apologise for attacking your political views. Then let's just forget all about this.
I am not trying to get the MBN to hate you, give it up, I am just letting you express your opinions openly.

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Old 2002-11-15, 23:11
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As I said in the Firemen Strike thread I DON'T want any personal arguments to start, do it with e-mail or talk it out over mIRC

I just want to keep it nice and tidy, and if you want it to fight out here, please think before you post, it will save you a lot of energy

(that's for all of you)
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Old 2002-11-16, 00:22
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Double-J, this is quite childish. It's sad that you have to resort to turning the MBN against Gustav and myself, just because you couldn't win an argument over politics.
It's got nothing to do with politics from my standpoint, as far as I'm concerned, Double-J is just highlighting certain opinions made of the board and its members on the IIRC.

The text seems to be doing the "turning against" by itself, never mind Double-J.

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Old 2002-11-16, 00:38
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Listen Snap and Gustav:

I am not going to truce with either one of you because you need to be honest with the entire forum....

why are we soooo bad?
why don't j00 like us?
Aren't we nice people?

You finally decided to piss off the wrong n00b. I call myself that because I am not cool enough to be a part of your little cliq here. You had this bad attitude towards me and this forum for far too long.

Be it my political beliefs, or that I actually give a damn about this community, lets let it all out on the table. What the hell is wrong with the forum Snap? Gustav?
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Old 2002-11-16, 00:53
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Old 2002-11-16, 01:08
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Aaaah... A new thread!

Double-J is... well... my old eacher had said that he has a hole in his head. Atresica had said that his mind is a seave.

First of all the part of the conversation which you post is highly inrelevant. Since you just extract that part it seems like we think something that we dont think. What no one here sees is that I actually explained a bit more afterwards, and that I dont have any "anti-n00b" point-of-view...

It is also sad to see that people say that we just complain instead of do something about the situation, that doesn't really exist, at least not in the way it seems like here. Both me and Snapman has done things to improve the situation. Have you people forgotten many of the thread ideas I've come up with? Have you forgotten the discussions subjects snapman has come up with? Have you forgotten that I have devoted a site to the MBN along with Chaosfish? Have you forgotten Snapman's sig quiz? Have you forgotten the world cup thread, which the two of us were the ones who took the main initiatives, and also discussed how it should be before it?

Btw. The "fight" at IRC with me, Snapman, Atresica and someone else involved against Double-J was not from any of us done because Double-J is an american... That is just conspiration theories. What we dislike and disagree with Double-J on is his aggressive-to-human point-of-view. Double-J shows, with his words, that he has absoluteley no idea on how most of this world's people lives. He is stuck in his dream about America being some innocent victim in the world who just has some right to defend itself. He also seem to think that America is just the rich, white part of it, but let's not get more into that right now.

You say that you let the MBN members know what we think of them. That is not true. You are trying to say to the MBN members that we... hmm... dislike them. And that is not true. The only source you have shown is that little extract that absoluteley NOT shows everything. (that is pretty obvious, since it would be pretty unlogical if it (the conversation) stopped where that extract stops) ^^.

I think that this thread was just a mistake by you, and it could easily have been forgiven if it hadn't been that you've done these things before. Let me show you a link: http://forum.magicball.net/showthrea...&threadid=3186 I think this shows that all your posts aren't to be taken very seriously since you easily get upset, which obviously was the case here.

So, to all those newer members who think that we are monsters now: WE ARE NOT! WE LOVE YOU! BUT WE DONT LIKE DOUBLE-J! or something.

Star, Twinsal, other newer members! BELIEVE IN US!


Finally, pretty funny it was that you use a term like "less-than-one-year" members. That is because Snapman has been a member for 1 year and 7 days, so you were very close to the border there, DOuble-J. ^^

Also I think it is alarming that you use words like "act like a man". THat is SO sexistic. I think that you must understand, all of you, that expressions like that and words like macho and such are words of the past. In this millenium I dont want any womanaggressive expressions. Please? Well, that's what I think as a feminist.

Finally again:
Me and snapman does not hate anyone. We even gave Double-J a chance to take this back and such in an earlier post. But he didn't take it. That means that he now has to defend and show his arguments. I doubt he can.

We picked the wrong "n00b" to piss off? Seems like you got it all wrong. we never intended to piss you off. Not at all. But you surely intend to piss US off. Sad that you do that, and also sad that you do it this way. Also sad that you have that aggressive attitude against us, you will just have to eat that up in a few posts.
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Old 2002-11-16, 02:07
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Double-J. It is clear that you want an argument, but I am not going to give you one. The only way forward is to act in a constructive manner, and not a destructive manner.

From your posts it seems that you are trying to make myself and Gustav look bad. You falsely accuse of not likeing new members of the forum, when that is clearly not true. We neither suggested nor incinuated that. You either missuderstood what was said, or are lying in order to turn members of the MBN against us.

So I am giving you another chance to take a truce, and this time, I would think about what you put in your reply. I know I was over the line during the argument over politics, but you must know that you have also crossed the line here, posting this thread, which has a sole intention of trying to make out myself and Gustav to be bad people. But, not only is this thread making me and Gustav seem like idiots, it also having that effect on you. Look at your reaction to my post confirms that. So if I were you, I would consider this very carefully.

Just as Gustav said, we are not intending to annoy you.

Morden: This thread does tie in with an argument on IRC over politics. The discussion about the MBN was a while before the politics argument. I stepped out of line and critisised Double-J's views, along with several other members, so then Double-J made this thread to get back at us. The thing which annoys me is that he is accussing me and Gustav of hating all new people which is not the truth, and in turn, this lie is making us look bad.

Just thought I'd fill you in.
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Old 2002-11-16, 03:15
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I'll make this short and sweet.

From what I see of the IIRC extract Double-J provided, Gustav at least, and so Jay says, you too Snapman, think this;

THE FORUM HAS GONE DOWNHILL SINCE THE WORLD CUP.

Personally, I'd like to know why you think this. It has been said, and therefore cannot be denied. It is what you think. WHY do you think it?

Is it because of the new members joining since the summer, or is there another "explaination" for your theory that the quality of the board is deteriorating?

That's what it looks like Double-J is saying, and I for one would like an answer.

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Old 2002-11-16, 03:40
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oooh....a heated argument....just what I wanted...

Instead of addressing my original point of telling us why you say the MBN is going downhill, you continue your pissy attitude towards me and it is just ignorant.

Whoa...lots to address here....

About the link Gustav posted-

yeah, you're right 'Stav, I acted like an asshole. I admitted it, and personally (both publically and otherwise) apoligized to Pandemona as well as everybody on the forum. But as long as your at it, why don't you go dig out those political thread links to prove your point. Cause I can also pull links with your arguments with {}ghost{} and Gazogem, as well as some of those lovely comments you made regarding September 11th. And BTW Gustav- No one has forgotten that wonderful conspiracy theory you have against Crazybee....whasupwitdat?

Now, Snapman, I was more upset with the comments about the MBN than anything else. Changing your nick to "MBNdwnhill" and such first of all is a.) stupid, since your not doing anything to improve it (although ths sig thingy is nice. ) b.) your continue to bash the people who keep the forum alive: n00bs. I hate that term, but you seem to agtee with Gustav in regards that it is a totally direct relationship between the MBN in a slump and a growing number of new members. And I'll tell you the God's honest truth- the MBN has been in a slump for a hell of alot longer than 6 months, if we use your rationale, the only thing good about the MBN was the offtopic World Cup Thread, which did promote good discussion, as well as arguments like these, (*cough Gustav cough*) over countries and such.

Now, so that I don't sound liek a complete asshole to all of you: I shouldn't have to do this, but I will, because quite frankly its just what I think should be done so that you don't get the wrong opinion about me:
  • I am a 17 year old American Male
  • I am a republican conservative
  • I feel that we badly need welfare reform in our country. There are people who do need financial aid from the government, and to them I would gladly say "yes" to financial support. But there are too many people (whom I know even) who cheat the system and don't work, while myself and my parent work themselves into an early grave to pay for their life of illegitamate luxury.
  • I am strongly in favor of the United States defending itself. I believe that we have every right to pursue the removal of terrorists from any region, regardless of soveigreignty, because countries who harbor terrorists are violating international law, and do not deserve sovereignty. We were attacked, yes, but it started long before Sept. 11th. Like CS2X said, it has become quite popular to bash America, similar to the way we bash George Bush and Bill Gates, because quite frankly a.) they have more power then any of us could ever attain, making many jeleous and b.) many people are jeleous of the United States themselves, because they cannot have the many wonderful freedoms and liberties that our forefathers fought so hard for.

This is how I feel. I don't need to justify anything to anybody, but I did it to get it out in the open.

I don't enjoy fighting with anyone, but since you decided to start the fight, I suggest you two finish it.

I would have gladly listened to your political opionions, but the problem was a.) every time I commented my opionion was flawed or wrong in your eyes and b.) every 2 seconds I had Gustav shouting "SEXUAL HARASSMENT" in my face because he made a deragatory comment towards myself and I shot back.

As I have stated before and again, this is my favorite place on the internet. I liek it here, and I find just about everything interesting. But what I don't appreciate is people ganging up on my political idealogy, and even moreso bitching about a forum to which they often negatively contribute.


Hmz...lets just end it all now, dammit.
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Old 2002-11-16, 11:43
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okey i give my reply...
Double-j... i was also from the first on forum, i love it, its 1st place i go to on the net... but just one point, you act like your its father or somthing.. i mean it isnt nessesary to open this and be like "OMG they insulted the mbn" even that, there only saying that its going downhill !OPINION! who cares, and so what if they do like the new people? what they dont feel welcome or somin....()(Im making point to friend)
2. Frankly i dont mind, dont care bout what the us does, but when it attacks, or kills you dont mention it, no sympathy, and cant accept the fact that civilian casualties, but when your enemy attack its called terrorism, why dont you address it rather than just name it terrorism to go get rid of them with allies... for example, the fact that osama bin ladin fights to get the us outa saudi arabia, and not supporting israel in a way that is biest.. america ignores it.. im sure that th majority of americans have no correct idea on what osama wants.. he's just called terrorist terrorist... okey fine he did do acts of terrorism.. buit what got iraq into the story? weapons of mass destruction.. please just give us a damn shread of evidence... no all the evidence was shit so far.. sites which are impossible to contain and develop womd.... now sharons talking about the next step which is iran.. i believe this is what america wants
1. iraq
2. iran
3. libya
4. sudan
5. gcc (saudi arabia, kuwait, u.a.e., oman, bahrain, qatar)
and ofcouse egypt, simple control of the region, to get our oil.. next using it to control japan and europe. also all this just to save israel....

saying people are jealous is not realistic.. europe has just as much freedom, power, europe has that two, since their united under the e.u. they have even more of it:-\
I hate this "freedom". I get so pissed when i hear human right groups aiming to change saudi arabia's rule... to me and muslims in general this is preffered sort of life.. to us this life is just a test for the afterlife, which according to what i believe, has no limit of freedom. and no limit in general, everlasting "iternity". That is what we want, and that is how we see life.. so jealousy is the last things on our minds...
And yes you get agressive sometimes so fast
And no i have nothing against you

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Old 2002-11-16, 13:41
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Axx, the diference is that you aren't attacking my political beliefs.
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Instead of making all this fuss out of this, let's just do it the easy way:

* Both sides apologise, because both seem to be able to understand they did something
* Both sides will try to stop this from happening again

We're all around the 16/17/18, let's act that way.

Lastly, Double J, please leave "jealousy" out of it because it really has nothing to do with it
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Old 2002-11-16, 13:59
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Instead of making all this fuss out of this, let's just do it the easy way:

* Both sides apologise, because both seem to be able to understand they did something
* Both sides will try to stop this from happening again

We're all around the 16/17/18, let's act that way.

Lastly, Double J, please leave "jealousy" out of it because it really has nothing to do with it
But both Axx, Morden and Myself said this long ago that political discussions here in general arouse aggression, because some of us are very passionate about our countries, and not just cynical onlookers.

I think that political threads are good, but unless people listen, then there is nothing good that will come of them.

But if the Mods begin to police it, maybe that would make the MBN a better place.

I call a political truce then, just so that this shit stops. I have expressed my ideas, and by arguing over them it would do anything but cause anger.

HOWEVER, as far as the MBN Downhill thing goes...

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, wanna know how Gustav and Snap would change the MBN, if they were mods. Would they ban all new members from joining? Would the just selectively remove people like myself who they dislike and is not an "old skool" member? Really guys, please, just tell us why you have a problem and I'll call it quits. Thank you.
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Phew...
The last 10 posts were so goddamn long, i didn't read a single one.
In short: If people have an insulting opinion, they should keep to themselves, unless they think expressing it will do any good to anybody.
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Double-J, the things that annoys me is that you are suggesting that I blaming new guys for my current feelings about the MBN. This is not true at all. I never even suggested this at all. But you still refuse to listen, and continually make this invisable link. You know this is a lie, but still bring it up in an effort to make myself and Gustav look bad.

I have consistanly said that my feelings on the MBN have nothing to do with newbies (not n00bs, I hate that term), but you refuse to listen. I never said or implied this, and you have no proof to back this up, but even so you continue in vain with this lie in an effort to make Gustav and myself look bad.

Furthermore, I find you unwillingness to compromise and cooperate comparitable to the mentality of a spoiled 10 year old, rather than an intellegant 17 year old. We have both done wrong here, but the fact that you only want to argue rather than be constructive over the matter, it having a bad effect on you too. You actions and insultive responses to compromsing posts from myself has made you seems childish in the eyes of others. You know I am willing to apoligise, but you are not.

You know, let's say it was Atresica and Medur who has said the comments about the MBN, instead of me and Gustav, and it was also Atre and Medur who attacked your political views. Would you have made this thread? Didn't think so. Other people on the MBN have complained about the MBN before, but nobody made a thread about that. So why do Gustav and myself get different treatment?

Double J, why don't you take your own advice and "act like a man".

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I doubt Snap and Gustav would ban all new members, as I think only an admin can do that, and also El would kill them.
And Gustav's obsession with this thing is going a bit too far...
Ban? they're not even mods..
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This is work of higher intelligences, who take other, esoteric and psychological sciences into account than we are normally used to even consider, numerology being one of them, because everything for them is ritualistic and everything is meant for a deep programming of our psychological state. One day witchcraft and science will collide.
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Old 2002-11-16, 19:07
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hmz....acting like a man...

Well, considering that you were part of lovely ID crisis at IRC the other day...that was pretty childish...

okay, so if your opinion of "n00bs" is not the same as Gustav, then why? that is all I am asking. As I said, the political truce is accepted. I really truly wanna know why you feel the MBN is worse then "before".

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You know, let's say it was Atresica and Medur who has said the comments about the MBN, instead of me and Gustav, and it was also Atre and Medur who attacked your political views. Would you have made this thread? Didn't think so.
WTF? Because Medur is a friend of mine and Atre is a mod? Hell, I am supposed to be a partner with Gustav at the Web Planet! It had nothing to do with your stati, but rather what you both said. No bias whatsoever. So stop bitching like a 10 year old and just ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION!
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Old 2002-11-16, 19:42
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Snapman, Gustav, please answer the question;

WHY DO YOU THINK THE MBN HAS GONE DOWNHILL SINCE THE WORLD CUP?

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