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Old 2001-04-21, 15:59
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Twinsun

All right. Now I'm asking DIRECTLY:
What do you think\want\wish? Is Twinsun real?
Of course EncOder will answer "yes", me too, but how about YOU??? Tell! I want to know your opinion! Or should we make a poll?
I tried to trigger such a discussion by telling 'bout my strange dream, and somehow else, but without a success.

Sorry if you'd think that this kind of "voice" is rude\offensive.
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Old 2001-04-21, 17:24
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Hiya Razor, haven't seen you around for a while!

My opinion: Twinsun doesn't exist. The makers of LBA imagined it, but the world doesn't really exist.

What's your opinion btw?
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Old 2001-04-21, 17:27
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Wacko, where did you come with a crazy idea like this?
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Old 2001-04-21, 18:09
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Anything that you can imagine DOES exist.(somewhere)
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Old 2001-04-21, 19:05
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Your imagination may not be felt, it may not be heard, and it may not be seen clearly, but that doesn't mean that its not real...
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Old 2001-04-21, 19:09
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nope. lba is just a game, trust me.
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Old 2001-04-21, 19:15
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Anything that you can imagine DOES exist.(somewhere)
You can just say just everything is exist than...

Anyway in this world, LBA is just a game.
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Old 2001-04-21, 19:23
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Well, it all depends on how you look at things......sometimes, you have to use Figurative Language, and look beyong the literal.
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Old 2001-04-21, 19:32
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Anything that you can imagine DOES exist.(somewhere)
You can just say just everything is exist than...

Anyway in this world, LBA is just a game.
Not nesseceryly, there may be things that our brains cant imagine....
But in a infinite univserse all possiblitys must come try.So yes, Everthing, including Twinsun, must exist.
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Old 2001-04-21, 21:27
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"What is real, define real. You think that's air you're breating?"

sorry, I had to qoute it.

Our mind makes things real
The main question would be, is it posseble that Twinsun exsists, than I would say: yes, because everything is posseble.

Real is something you can not just discribe with one word.
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Old 2001-04-21, 22:26
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Twinsun <== Real?

Personally, I'd love to know that Twinsun is real. And perhaps it is. But right now all I can do is wish that it were. In my minds eye anything is possible beyond the restrictions of Earth.
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Old 2001-04-21, 22:48
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Real Defenition by me: Real is something that exists in the real world, not in your mind etc., its something you can see\hear\touch\smell shortly something that effects one of your 5 senses.

Real defenition by a english-english dictionary:

"adj - existing in fact; not imagined or supposed; not made up or artificial"

(there are also real-time and real-estate)

which means - real is what i said

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I think Twinsun is a real place, but Zeelich isn't.

I dont know how Fred knew about it, might be because Twinsunian people contacted him in his dreams, when he was unconcious, by a telepathic way, maybe because they dont have any other way to contact us.

Zeelich story was maybe invented by Twinsanian people
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Old 2001-04-21, 23:10
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"But in a infinite univserse all possiblitys must come true."
Darkflame: I know what you mean, I thought about that many times, but according to logic LBA can't excist in this world (I think)... Maybe if you step into a wormhole...

hmz.. but that again, what do I know...
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Old 2001-04-21, 23:34
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The are many resons why LBA exists, weather or not its 'Real' or not is just a matter of diffinition.
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Curently scientist do not actualy think the univsere is infinite.They belive the very demsions curve around onto themselves, meaning that if you kept going in one direction you would come back to the start.
The question we do not know is time infinite? Is the univese a 3D sphere of a 4D sphere? If we could live for long enough would we end up in the 'past'?.
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But, I belive that all of causility is relitive.This means that we could live in a 'Matrix' type world.We can already simulate most of the sensations around us, sight, sound, hot, cold, even smell.
But the concept of a relitive reality means that even when you wake up from the 'Dream World', you are still not in the real 'world'.It means that there are inifite layers of reality, some things are 'realer' then others.
Real is not just a 'Yes or No' state, there are inbetweens.
I know this sounds far fetched, but Its one off the few theorys that can never be proved or disproved.
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Atresica said 'Our minds makes things real'.
I don't know wether she ment to, but thats one of the
results off quatom theory.I can't explain quatom theory
now,but if anyone wants to read about its very interesting
(and a bit scary) I recomemed 'In Search Of Schzogers Cat'.
Basicaly some experiements with qutom particals change depending appon wether they are being observed or not.
There has been so sasfactory explanation for these experiements except the far-reaching quatom theory.(I know there was a StarGate Epp with someone claiming to have 'licked' qutom theory).
Anywhy to sum it all up, Everything is REAL, for the given value of the world 'REAL'.

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Old 2001-04-21, 23:51
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It's probably true our universe is not infinite, but there must be other universes.

There must be.
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Old 2001-04-22, 00:31
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Before I deviate from the subject at hand I can confirm that Twinsun is not real, becuase being that close to twin suns that large it would be an inferno, also it would definately be too hot to have a snowy mountain range across it. And they say the mountain range is across it's equator, no it's not, the equator runs across the side facing the suns, those mountains don't!

Anyway to Darkflame and quantum mechanics, that is true that the experiments "change" when you don't obeserve them, that is becuase they do tests on the motion of a particle. But in quantum theory you cannot predict more than one variable at a time, y position, x position or z position or velocity etc.. they are mutually exlusive. It is very different to practical physics. That is why they appeared to change because they can't find out what the results should have been. Have you read Hyperspace? There's another book aswell on quantum theory and dark matter but I can't remember the name or author.
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Old 2001-04-22, 00:49
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those reasons don´t say anything. Maybe the two suns aren´t very hot, or maybe twinsen is envolved by a magical force camp. All our physic laws can be useless at other universes. It´s all just especulation, we can´t say anything about it... just especulation.
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Old 2001-04-22, 00:57
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ppl don't get insane. lba is just a human creation and that's all..
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Old 2001-04-22, 01:01
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Hehehe, we think we're so smart, we think we can messure nature by laws, but how many of those laws aren't correct? In 1986 the law of gravaty had to be changed while we were so sure that it was totally correct...
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Old 2001-04-22, 01:29
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For how long did people think that the World was round.....that people coundn't fly.....It was all a bull.
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Old 2001-04-22, 01:36
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LBA may be a game, and I don't think Twinsun is a real world, but....that game has a much deeper level than most other games...In other games, I couldn't give a shit weather the world existed, but in LBA games (and yes, I prefer LBA2, probably coz I played it first) I REALLY wish the worlds existed,,,I too have dreams about Twinsuns and Zeelich!!
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Old 2001-04-22, 06:04
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Some philosopher said that "everything is real, imagination is nonsense" or smth like that
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Darkflame: I recommend S. Lem, "The Seven Journeys of Trurlus & Klapaucius"(right?). It's damn funny, and has a lot of intersting theories about the Universe. It's too large & needless to write them here.
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Wacko: read again... or I'll repeat: YES! That's an ideal of world for me.
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Phoenix: Why, the planet's position is perpendicular to the orbit, why can't it be? Maybe it's farther from the stars than it looks on images.
btw, you've got a cool avatar. Where does this helmet come from: Wing Commander or Strike Commander(there was a pilot with such a callsign)?
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The universe is HUGE! And if you are realistic there must be life somewhere, but Twinsun? No.

But maybe all our fantasies are real in some other galaxy, some dreamworld..
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Old 2001-04-22, 12:07
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What does it matter if it doesn't excist in this universe, it's very much posseble that there are realities who are being formed by our mind

consider is like a cube inside anothr cube inside another cube:

|-------| The smallest cube determs what happens in the
||-----|| middel cube, the middel cube detems what happens
|||----||| in the biggest cube, the biggest cube determs what
|||----||| happens in the following cube, etc.
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|-------|

I don't know how to make it more clear.

I you want to have a nice look on reality, play Planescape Torment!

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Old 2001-04-22, 12:08
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What you also could see, is that someone made up Twinsun. We played the game, virtually "lived" in it. So it's in our minds too. Twinsun excist in our minds, so it does excist. Maybe in an other way as you would define "excisting".

I believe in other lifeforms somewhere in the universe. But they are very far, far, far away, either in time as in distance.

I don't believe that Twinsun really excists in this universe as an other planet.

Wow, this thread is going very deep
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