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Old 2021-01-24, 04:14
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Oh gosh. Scarily I literally have no memory of that.

Is that why you've never listened to my music since? I don't just do white noise - this one composed for a short animation for example is very friendly, and totally inspired by the LBA and LBA2 soundtracks (hence why I'm posting it here...hahaha) -

https://soundcloud.com/robert-logan/ending-scene
Really nice!
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Old 2021-01-24, 15:22
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by any chance do you do miyago do?
Haha no maybe i should try sometime. Ive never even seen those movies.

I prefer fighting with magic ball and saber
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Old 2021-01-26, 00:59
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I too join the chorus of those disappointed with the end result. I don't have the acumen to delve into modulation and harmonics and all that, but from an untrained ear, it just doesn't sound great to me. Others have already hit on the glaring omission of songs that would have been ideal for the intended idea behind the project.

To put it into perspective, like many of you (I'm sure), I can pop the LBA OSTs into my headphones throughout the day and it never gets old. The tunes are catchy, and sure, they are paired with nostalgia, but I've had people who have never played LBA who have commented on enjoying the music in passing. This symphonic suite? I've had to force myself to listen to it, and it is honestly unpleasant background noise. I've actually turned it off because it was an annoyance.

I'm waiting for the physical version to arrive, though of course I'm much less excited about it since we've received the digital rewards and now know what the finished product will sound like. Still, for those wondering, I received the email asking to confirm my shipping address about 6 months ago, but haven't heard anything new since.

For me, the one bright spot is that we're all coming out of the woodwork to chime in. That's been a very pleasant surprise, even if the project did not ultimately turn out as pleasantly as we'd have hoped.

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Old 2021-01-26, 02:52
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I too join the chorus of those disappointed with the end result. I don't have the acumen to delve into modulation and harmonics and all that, but from an untrained ear, it just doesn't sound great to me. Others have already hit on the glaring omission of songs that would have been ideal for the intended idea behind the project.

To put it into perspective, like many of you (I'm sure), I can pop the LBA OSTs into my headphones throughout the day and it never gets old. The tunes are catchy, and sure, they are paired with nostalgia, but I've had people who have never played LBA who have commented on enjoying the music in passing. This symphonic suite? I've had to force myself to listen to it, and it is honestly unpleasant background noise. I've actually turned it off because it was an annoyance.

I'm waiting for the physical version to arrive, though of course I'm much less excited about it since we've received the digital rewards and now know what the finished product will sound like. Still, for those wondering, I received the email asking to confirm my shipping address about 6 months ago, but haven't heard anything new since.

For me, the one bright spot is that we're all coming out of the woodwork to chime in. That's been a very pleasant surprise, even if the project did not ultimately turn out as pleasantly as we'd have hoped.
^ That. It is SO important that we're all sharing ideas freely here!!
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Old 2021-01-27, 02:51
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OMG, Double-J himself !!!!

Are you still looking for a PS1 copy of LBA1 ? Few weeks after you left, I found one in a shop here, I can mail it to you if you want
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Old 2021-01-27, 16:35
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All the negativity here makes me sad. I find it surprising that the overall response seems so negative. I really enjoyed the symphonic suite. I listened to it many times, and it made me feel a mix of familiar emotions related to the games, as well as new emotions. It reminds me of Ghibli movies at times (and I love the music in those), and other movies where the music is triggering strong emotions. I love "The Empire" in particular, with the build-up to that powerful brass section, and then transition into the more familiar melody we all know. I also like the coherence of the album as a whole, I really enjoy listening to it from start to finish, as a single piece. As for the "piercing" lead synth that's used on "Emerald Moon" and "FT LAps", I understand that it's a bit radical, and I'm not too surprised by the backlash it generates here, but to be honest I actually enjoy it.

Maybe it's because I'm too simple. Maybe my hearing is not trained as a musician's and I can't notice the imperfections. I don't know what it is, but the almost unanimous negativity here really disturbs me. And now I find it hard to just appreciate the album again without thinking about all those negative comments.

It also makes me sad for Philippe. I mean, you all assumed that he wouldn't read this, or that nobody in the LBA team is reading this forum, but how can you be sure of that? I know that if I were him, I would probably want to have some feedback on my work. I'm usually advocating for honest feedback, even if negative. But the type of "brutal honesty" here (if it's what it is) is a bit too much. I don't know, it feels like a lot of it is disproportionately harsh and ill-founded. And if it's just a matter of taste, then what's the need to be so vocal about you not liking it? Does it help anyone? For you musicians out there, SGK, Cs2x, Neko, how would you like if people wrote a similar thread about your work?
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Old 2021-01-27, 17:14
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All the negativity here makes me sad. I find it surprising that the overall response seems so negative. I really enjoyed the symphonic suite. I listened to it many times, and it made me feel a mix of familiar emotions related to the games, as well as new emotions. It reminds me of Ghibli movies at times (and I love the music in those), and other movies where the music is triggering strong emotions. I love "The Empire" in particular, with the build-up to that powerful brass section, and then transition into the more familiar melody we all know. I also like the coherence of the album as a whole, I really enjoy listening to it from start to finish, as a single piece. As for the "piercing" lead synth that's used on "Emerald Moon" and "FT LAps", I understand that it's a bit radical, and I'm not too surprised by the backlash it generates here, but to be honest I actually enjoy it.

Maybe it's because I'm too simple. Maybe my hearing is not trained as a musician's and I can't notice the imperfections. I don't know what it is, but the almost unanimous negativity here really disturbs me. And now I find it hard to just appreciate the album again without thinking about all those negative comments.

It also makes me sad for Philippe. I mean, you all assumed that he wouldn't read this, or that nobody in the LBA team is reading this forum, but how can you be sure of that? I know that if I were him, I would probably want to have some feedback on my work. I'm usually advocating for honest feedback, even if negative. But the type of "brutal honesty" here (if it's what it is) is a bit too much. I don't know, it feels like a lot of it is disproportionately harsh and ill-founded. And if it's just a matter of taste, then what's the need to be so vocal about you not liking it? Does it help anyone? For you musicians out there, SGK, Cs2x, Neko, how would you like if people wrote a similar thread about your work?
You should definitely keep enjoying them!
Our comments were in no way meant to harm those who like it.

Heck, even I am enjoying it sometimes, for the bits I liked.
I dont think anybody here said its a 100% failure.

It just isn't what was promised, thats all. Its a new thing.
As a new thing, it can be enjoyed on its own.

LBA has a legacy and a heritage, and for most of us its almost a sacred thing.
You don't mess with it because it can mess with deeply rooted feelings.

For those who really wanted that promise to be fulfilled have pretty much every right to be disappointed. We'll probably NEVER have the orchestral music as we hoped for. Not in this life, anyway. And yes, most have decided not to voice it exactly for the reasons you have mentioned, we're aware of it - then again, this thread is all about the project. It's not like we are witch hunting the guy and shoving it on his face our opinions spamming it everywhere. We anticipated, we paid money, some of us a LOT of money (800 euro is not a joke), we have waited anxiously, with several delays, and now its finally here: so its in every sense rightful to just write whether you liked it or not. I don't see how this compares to random people, some amateur, some professional, who are just sharing their music to whoever bothers to take their time to listen.

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Old 2021-01-27, 20:54
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All the negativity here makes me sad. I find it surprising that the overall response seems so negative. I really enjoyed the symphonic suite. I listened to it many times, and it made me feel a mix of familiar emotions related to the games, as well as new emotions. It reminds me of Ghibli movies at times (and I love the music in those), and other movies where the music is triggering strong emotions. I love "The Empire" in particular, with the build-up to that powerful brass section, and then transition into the more familiar melody we all know. I also like the coherence of the album as a whole, I really enjoy listening to it from start to finish, as a single piece. As for the "piercing" lead synth that's used on "Emerald Moon" and "FT LAps", I understand that it's a bit radical, and I'm not too surprised by the backlash it generates here, but to be honest I actually enjoy it.

Maybe it's because I'm too simple. Maybe my hearing is not trained as a musician's and I can't notice the imperfections. I don't know what it is, but the almost unanimous negativity here really disturbs me. And now I find it hard to just appreciate the album again without thinking about all those negative comments.

It also makes me sad for Philippe. I mean, you all assumed that he wouldn't read this, or that nobody in the LBA team is reading this forum, but how can you be sure of that? I know that if I were him, I would probably want to have some feedback on my work. I'm usually advocating for honest feedback, even if negative. But the type of "brutal honesty" here (if it's what it is) is a bit too much. I don't know, it feels like a lot of it is disproportionately harsh and ill-founded. And if it's just a matter of taste, then what's the need to be so vocal about you not liking it? Does it help anyone? For you musicians out there, SGK, Cs2x, Neko, how would you like if people wrote a similar thread about your work?
I wish people would write threads like this over my work.


but, you are partly right. It does feel a bit awkward. But I am also a fan. What if LBA 3 was a let down, should we be soft about it because we may know Fred in person? I don't think so. We love them, and because of that it's easy for something to disapoint.

Having said it, I think the amount of time to reimagine these tracks and the result it pretty cool in a way, it is much apreciated. But you can also question some of the choices that were made. And you do realize it got a lot of money. So we were right fully expecting something big. And since some tunes like empire were done right, I think we can complain a little when some other tracks don't live up to that lvl
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Old 2021-01-27, 23:12
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OMG, Double-J himself !!!!

Are you still looking for a PS1 copy of LBA1 ? Few weeks after you left, I found one in a shop here, I can mail it to you if you want

Hey Polly! Thanks for the offer, but I no longer have anything to play it on anymore, but I do have the GoG versions of LBA 1 + 2 now so I think I'm set.


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It also makes me sad for Philippe. I mean, you all assumed that he wouldn't read this, or that nobody in the LBA team is reading this forum, but how can you be sure of that? I know that if I were him, I would probably want to have some feedback on my work. I'm usually advocating for honest feedback, even if negative. But the type of "brutal honesty" here (if it's what it is) is a bit too much.

If Philippe reads these forums, as I suspect he has (at least previously), he knows that we hold his work in very high esteem. I doubt the Kickstarter project happens if there weren't enough fans willing to financially support the end result, which was hearing the maestro offering a new interpretation of the scores which we love.



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I don't know, it feels like a lot of it is disproportionately harsh and ill-founded. And if it's just a matter of taste, then what's the need to be so vocal about you not liking it? Does it help anyone? For you musicians out there, SGK, Cs2x, Neko, how would you like if people wrote a similar thread about your work?

It confirms that the end result was not what we were expecting, nor necessarily hoping for. You may enjoy it. I'm very glad you do. However, just like some of my other favorite musicians or artists, they produce works of varying quality. It isn't an indictment on their entire body of work, but of the specific work in question.


In my opinion, the symphonic suite is a disappointment for reasons which have been documented above.


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Having said it, I think the amount of time to reimagine these tracks and the result it pretty cool in a way, it is much apreciated. But you can also question some of the choices that were made.

This is exactly correct. We appreciate what Philippe has put into this project. It is not a slight against him personally to critique his work. If anything, it only affirms that his LBA soundtracks were masterpieces, and that any subsequent performance will be judged in comparison to the high standard of the originals.



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And you do realize it got a lot of money. So we were right fully expecting something big. And since some tunes like empire were done right, I think we can complain a little when some other tracks don't live up to that lvl

I backed only at the 30€ level, so I don't feel disappointed for myself. However, for those like Quetch who went in at a substantial cost, the communications from Wayo Records has been nothing short of a disappointment at best and delinquent at worst. Pandemic or otherwise, they have left backers without any substantive information on how to go about claiming their rewards.


We all know there are risks with a Kickstarter, sure, but in this case the project came to fruition and whether the end result of the project itself is good or bad (opinion, of course), the promised rewards (especially at Quetch's level) should be handled with urgency and openness by Wayo.
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Old 2021-01-27, 23:36
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True. There are so many bands and artists for which I like their first albums or a few songs and then they went shite imo. Sometimes, they were great until the band split up, then decades later they return and make a reunion tour with a new album but the reunion was never the same as their young days. It happens.
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All the negativity here makes me sad. I find it surprising that the overall response seems so negative. I really enjoyed the symphonic suite. I listened to it many times, and it made me feel a mix of familiar emotions related to the games, as well as new emotions. It reminds me of Ghibli movies at times (and I love the music in those), and other movies where the music is triggering strong emotions. I love "The Empire" in particular, with the build-up to that powerful brass section, and then transition into the more familiar melody we all know. I also like the coherence of the album as a whole, I really enjoy listening to it from start to finish, as a single piece. As for the "piercing" lead synth that's used on "Emerald Moon" and "FT LAps", I understand that it's a bit radical, and I'm not too surprised by the backlash it generates here, but to be honest I actually enjoy it.

Maybe it's because I'm too simple. Maybe my hearing is not trained as a musician's and I can't notice the imperfections. I don't know what it is, but the almost unanimous negativity here really disturbs me. And now I find it hard to just appreciate the album again without thinking about all those negative comments.

It also makes me sad for Philippe. I mean, you all assumed that he wouldn't read this, or that nobody in the LBA team is reading this forum, but how can you be sure of that? I know that if I were him, I would probably want to have some feedback on my work. I'm usually advocating for honest feedback, even if negative. But the type of "brutal honesty" here (if it's what it is) is a bit too much. I don't know, it feels like a lot of it is disproportionately harsh and ill-founded. And if it's just a matter of taste, then what's the need to be so vocal about you not liking it? Does it help anyone? For you musicians out there, SGK, Cs2x, Neko, how would you like if people wrote a similar thread about your work?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Others have responded to you well, and I agree with them that you should feel totally free to continue enjoying this music! Don't let our comments bother you. I will add that I hear what you're saying, and if someone wrote negative things about my music, I would indeed feel discouraged most of the time. This is why, in a majority of cases nowadays, I don't write anything anywhere about music I don't like. What's the point? I know what it's like to work hard on music for a long period and to have it enter the world to very little attention. Worst still, after that, is when people criticise it with what seems like a minimal attempt to understand its purpose. (For a silly example, it just happened to me the other day - I've been researching sounds that inhibit tinnitus for a long time, and uploaded a video of sound therapy to help people. It's not meant to be "normal" listening music - it's tones that are known to reduce or soothe tinnitus used by various therapy programs, although the frequencies I programmed have some differences and are easier on the ears. Anyway, after spending months on this and uploading it, some guy simply wrote underneath within a day that "this sound is totally sh*t and annoying." LOL. Why say that? I gave the soundscape for free! Just move along if you don't have T or if the sounds aren't to your tastes. You're not paying for it anyway, and there's plenty else out there to enjoy...) On the other hand, I hear what Jesse is saying: it's nice to get some reaction for one's music - let alone an entire thread! :-)

But overall what you've shared is why I almost didn't write my post. I still sometimes wonder if I should delete it. In the end though, I wanted to re-join this lovely community and be part of the occasion. It also seemed wrong to lie, and to say you're disappointed in something without giving any reasons isn't so helpful in a discussion, especially if you understand and can express musical reasons for your feelings. It's interesting to discuss created things and to process why certain choices work or don't work for you. What differentiates this too, though, is that some people invested quite a lot of money into the project - which was advertised a certain way at the outset - and the problems arguably aren't entirely down to "artistic choice", but rather the lack of an orchestra doing the pieces we hoped or expected would be done. For the reasons you said and I shared, I wouldn't write if Philippe had simply shared some new music that wasn't to my tastes. A crowdfund though is a slightly different context.

Linked to the above is when I'm critiqued for paid music I do as the creation is occurring. Now, that is a different story. I'm very happy to be criticised by directors or artists when they've hired me to supply music for their project. Indeed, it is an essential part of the process. Often you'll write a cue you like and the director will simply say "no" and you'll have to bin the work entirely and start again (though with some directors you build a rapport and that rarely happens after a point.) Either way, though, that's fine and it's easy not to take it personally.

This project sits in a strange place between those two worlds in some way, right? Because we invested from the outset. I welcome artistic change and want to be challenged, and usually an artist "owes" me nothing. I hate that entitled, critical spirit that snipes at bands or artists when expectations aren't met. At the same time, this particular project had funding put in to make it happen, and didn't emerge the way I expected given the descriptive context. This isn't even about one artist either: it may not be Mr. Vachey's role that caused this, but the company responsible for arranging / recording / orchestration. I don't know. I'm not decided on the issue either way, because the line is blurry between artistic choice and something not matching a description (if, say, in an alternate universe no live orchestra was recorded at all, but great string libraries were used in software, and it sounded great...what happens then? it's not what was promised, but the artistic choice worked!)...again, I wouldn't usually wouldn't post such a long post of that kind - but I hope my thoughts help you understand where I was coming from... ;-)

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But overall what you've shared is why I almost didn't write my post. I still sometimes wonder if I should delete it.
Actually yeah, you've expressed that in your first post, and you were careful about trying not to be hurtful, which I really appreciate, and makes your posts different from the others. Besides, your comments about the music were the most accurate and constructive. That's the kind of feedback I'd like on my projects. My grippe is with the avalanche of more aggressive, lower effort criticism that went on afterwards.

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In the end though, I wanted to re-join this lovely community and be part of the occasion.
Yeah, that's the good part of this, at least it's triggering some activity on the forum!

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This project sits in a strange place between those two worlds in some way, right? Because we invested from the outset. I welcome artistic change and want to be challenged, and usually an artist "owes" me nothing...

(...)

...what happens then? it's not what was promised, but the artistic choice worked!)...again, I wouldn't usually wouldn't post such a long post of that kind - but I hope my thoughts help you understand where I was coming from... ;-)
Yeah, thanks for the clarifications, it makes a lot of sense, indeed, crowdfunding puts the project in a complicated place where you have to deal with the backers expectations. I think that's why I didn't want to invest a large sum on it to begin with (I think I went for the 30€ one, but I don't remember exactly).

I agree with you that the description was misleading. Again, I'm no musician, so I can't easily hear when it's a real instrument and when it's a sample from a keyboard. I'm hearing physical orchestra instruments in all the tracks (maybe I'm wrong?), yeah, there are additional synths on top of it, but what's wrong with that? Orchestral music doesn't have to be limited to classical music (ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3B...nnel=BBCRadio1).
It's not exactly breaking the promise as far as I'm concerned, as I was kind of expecting this from the start.
Ok, they didn't remake every single track of the original games, but maybe it's more a problem of underestimating the cost of the project, and having complications due to the covid, rather than doing things in bad faith. That being said, they could have communicated better about it, if that's the case.

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I backed only at the 30€ level, so I don't feel disappointed for myself. However, for those like Quetch who went in at a substantial cost, the communications from Wayo Records has been nothing short of a disappointment at best and delinquent at worst. Pandemic or otherwise, they have left backers without any substantive information on how to go about claiming their rewards.


We all know there are risks with a Kickstarter, sure, but in this case the project came to fruition and whether the end result of the project itself is good or bad (opinion, of course), the promised rewards (especially at Quetch's level) should be handled with urgency and openness by Wayo.
Agreed with that, I'm clearly disappointed at how Wayô Record handled the communication on this, and all the technical difficulties people have encountered when trying to download the album, not to mention that they are more prone to email me about things I don't care about (I hate spam), rather than giving technical support. I'm not sure I would invest in another project where they are involved.
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(...) your comments about the music were the most accurate and constructive. That's the kind of feedback I'd like on my projects. My grippe is with the avalanche of more aggressive, lower effort criticism that went on afterwards.
It's funny for you to say this, because you were precisely the one who triggered that "avalanche" to happen. Things were pretty quiet here and people were restraining themselves from really saying how they felt, holding back the negative aspects, until I had posted that quite sincere 1 paragraph review of the whole thing (which I think you can now in retrospect conclude that it was indeed accurate) for which you had responded saying how it didn't match what others said, implying I was having a bias in it. It was then that the snowball effect started and people started coming forward. Which, honestly, I don't think was a bad thing at all. Like others have mentioned: if you have fans, and fans paid for your music, it's actually quite flattering to have them reviewing your work.

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I agree with you that the description was misleading. Again, I'm no musician, so I can't easily hear when it's a real instrument and when it's a sample from a keyboard. I'm hearing physical orchestra instruments in all the tracks (maybe I'm wrong?), yeah, there are additional synths on top of it, but what's wrong with that? Orchestral music doesn't have to be limited to classical music
Misleading? hah..
That's like saying I am gonna sell you black leather shoes then you come with a pair of colorful Nike sneakers.
That's like saying I am gonna sell you a gaming computer and come with a mac.
That's like MTV saying they're all about music.

Yes, most of us were expecting synths and stuff. But on a different ratio! Like 80/20% or 75/25%. The bigger chunk for a real orchestra (a BIG orchestra, mind you - like the ones you like to hear on Ghibli soundtracks) and a small chunk for synths here and there mostly for building ambience and for tracks like Emerald Moon. Just look at the glorious LBA Theme - it's underdone with that "Music box" thing. The greatest song of them all, the very grandiose theme of the games, which we have two different versions from LBA1 and LBA2, both of which are 99% orchestrated, save for LBA2's electric piano and drumkit, other than that its pretty much an orchestra, and yet we are presented with something that sounds even more synthesized than the originals.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't sound bad -- I like a music box idea and how it sounds. It's cute! But it should have been a bonus, not a substitute for the main theme.

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maybe it's more a problem of underestimating the cost of the project, and having complications due to the covid, rather than doing things in bad faith.
Of course, but this isn't news at this point. I did write those conclusions about expectations and promises based on the campaign and some conjectures for its unfortunate result before. Not everything was an "avalanche of more aggressive, lower effort criticism". We love his music, and respect Vachey, which is exactly why we're so enthusiastic about writing about it and reviewing this project as straightforward as we can, it is not because we're just a bunch of gratuitously negative people.
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Don't often say this but ^ what roy said
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Don't often say this but ^ what roy said
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Btw one thing that annoys me in this thread is that it is named after Didier who is the illustrator/art director of lba and has almost nothing to do with this project but we associate his name everytime we click to see this thread.
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I think I agree with Lupin, whether we get real-life instruments or samples is not important (although it would be weird to advertise something as an orchestra, when it isn't). What's important, is whether the music is good or not, if we had gotten amazing stuff, we wouldn't care about how it was made.
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To me it's actually very important that people are voicing their opinion on the end result. Do we want to lie to ourselves thinking we like it simply because it bears the LBA name? Or because it was done by Phil? On the contrary, we have to be honest and objective, cause in the end we keep screaming for LBA3, while we should realize that this Kickstarter served as a small taste of how such a game might turn out to be. Initial big hype, we'd be happy we FINALLY got it after 25 years, but then we'd start to see it has many things that are not ok. Maybe the story's lacking, gameplay elements are not ok, sucky bugs, music, voices, overall atmosphere, etc.. We're not kids anymore and although we all want to revisit that stage in our life where LBA was this wonderland in which we were spending our days and nights, now as adults we must give honest feedback so that the guys know what went right and what went wrong. I for one, hope Phil would read this thread, as it would give him something to think about for the future. Yes, it's not pleasant when people criticize your work, but it's also not pleasant to hope for an orange and end up with a lemon. All in all it's constructive criticism and it's on our money... They came out of the woodwork with the idea of a project and promises about this and that, now we're coming out of the same woodwork, giving feedback on whether or not we were satisfied with how it all went and if we felt their promises were kept.
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To me it's actually very important that people are voicing their opinion on the end result. Do we want to lie to ourselves thinking we like it simply because it bears the LBA name? Or because it was done by Phil? On the contrary, we have to be honest and objective, cause in the end we keep screaming for LBA3, while we should realize that this Kickstarter served as a small taste of how such a game might turn out to be. Initial big hype, we'd be happy we FINALLY got it after 25 years, but then we'd start to see it has many things that are not ok. Maybe the story's lacking, gameplay elements are not ok, sucky bugs, music, voices, overall atmosphere, etc.. We're not kids anymore and although we all want to revisit that stage in our life where LBA was this wonderland in which we were spending our days and nights, now as adults we must give honest feedback so that the guys know what went right and what went wrong. I for one, hope Phil would read this thread, as it would give him something to think about for the future. Yes, it's not pleasant when people criticize your work, but it's also not pleasant to hope for an orange and end up with a lemon. All in all it's constructive criticism and it's on our money... They came out of the woodwork with the idea of a project and promises about this and that, now we're coming out of the same woodwork, giving feedback on whether or not we were satisfied with how it all went and if we felt their promises were kept.
You said that really well, and expressed an alternate view that probably ought to be shared. But in all honesty I'm partly responding to you because I somehow just noticed your signature is a Paul Bowles quote, and even after trawling through lots more more famous novels down the years, The Sheltering Sky is still my favourite ever.

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So after 16 long years my quote finally got the eye of at least someone here on MBN ))))) the novel has fulfilled its purpose, it can rest now
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Btw one thing that annoys me in this thread is that it is named after Didier who is the illustrator/art director of lba and has almost nothing to do with this project but we associate his name everytime we click to see this thread.
Yeah, I have been finding that pretty odd. In fact at the beginning of the discussion I kept getting confused as to where to find the place MBNers were talking about the album proper. Even though I’d seen it was this thread a few times already (memory these days!)

Either way it’s not the most elegant thread title given the situation now, though it probably made sense at the time?! (I can’t remember details as to how the crowdfunder begun, just some stuff about what the musical aims were...)

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As the guy who created this thread, I apologize but the title came to be like this due to the fact that initially it was Didier who announced the project. Phil had his input quite later down the line, but Didier helped promote this initially and it seemed like it's "his" project, or at least he had quite a big role in this. Not to mention (again) that the meeting which never happened for which I paid an extra $400 was supposed to be with Didier also, not just Phil. But again, I won't rest until I sort this out with Wayo. If others don't want to, not a problem, but I'll go the distance as much as it's needed.
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But again, I won't rest until I sort this out with Wayo. If others don't want to, not a problem, but I'll go the distance as much as it's needed.
You're doing the right thing, mate. When they needed you, you were there. They have to be there for you as well!
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so hang on, this meeting will never take place anymore?
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so hang on, this meeting will never take place anymore?
Apparently not, from I understood from Quetch they want to make it up with photos and videos...



But let's hope they are gonna make some kind of meeting! I think it is feasible now.
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