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Old 2013-04-24, 23:12
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Why? 2+2=5 is what much of the world economy was based on!
*ba ba boom* subprime loan slam!
Doesn't the "human capital" theory tell something like that too?
One human can develop some ideas, the second one as well, but if they meet it won't be 1+1=2, but 1+1=3, because they will exchange their knowledge, discuss, and find even better solutions than they would being alone.
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this was interesting to read. requires some basic knowledge in math though.
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Old 2013-04-24, 23:32
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You cant prove values anyway, as they are self defining. We define "4" as being worth double, double 1.
Not exactly, 0 is defined as the empty set. 1 is the set which has 0 and the empty set as elements. 2 is the set which has 1 and the empty set as elements, etc...
Then comes the addition, if I recall well we defined it by using sequences, I don't remember it exactly, but I'll have another lesson on the subject soon.

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this was interesting to read. requires some basic knowledge in math though.
funny
I don't know what math model this guy is using, but building up multiplication, division, Fermat's little theorem and the Fibonacci sequence without properly finishing addition first is one weird way to work
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Old 2013-04-25, 00:11
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Not exactly, 0 is defined as the empty set. 1 is the set which has 0 and the empty set as elements. 2 is the set which has 1 and the empty set as elements, etc...
I heard of that...but imho, All thats doing is recursively drawing bigger circles around things :P
I'd still argue that the number defined by "how many recursions up it is" is basically the same as self defining.
At the end of the day your just saying "this many!" , whether its apples or sets within sets.

Pretty sure addition is basically self-defining too.
I think its only multiplication and above where you can start to define things purely by axioms already defined.
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So, Jesse, what's your opinion on crystals' reaction to Mother Teresa?
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Don't tell me it doesn't shock you!
I mean, look at the colour, do you see the resemblance to Hitler's "crystal"?
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Well since Heavy Metal music is awesome, and Teresa of Calcutta was a heartless, evil, two-faced bitch, I say the crystals don't know shit. Unsurprising since they're just water.
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SGK, many things you say here violate the most basic principles we learn at school regarding the scientific method. It ranges from logical fallacies to a total absence of peer-reviewed papers on what you consider to be "facts".
Sure sure. But, just for the record, I never claimed anything I've ever posted here to be facts.
My only mention of the word facts recently was only to question the existance of facts themselves.

I know things out of the scientific world can't be proven, so at least the civil way to deal with such things is to keep our opinions neutral.
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True but your tone in http://forum.magicball.net/showpost....5&postcount=16 that post seemed to suggest you did find it credible.

All our music is out of tune i will have to rewrite everything.
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I'd still argue that the number defined by "how many recursions up it is" is basically the same as self defining.
At the end of the day your just saying "this many!" , whether its apples or sets within sets.
Mmm... But with those sets, you also have infinite defined (it is an axiome, but still).
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Well since Heavy Metal music is awesome, and Teresa of Calcutta was a heartless, evil, two-faced bitch, I say the crystals don't know shit. Unsurprising since they're just water.
We don't accept such views in this thread.
Water hears and understands sounds, sees their shapes and colours. Moreover it has a memory and feelings!!!

On a serious note, I know nothing about mother Teresa's life, are you willing to share some info with me?
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Read "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens (the "advocatus diaboli" on her canonisation proceedings), and there's some new books, and interviews with people, doctors and nurses who volunteered in her "clinics".
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Well since Heavy Metal music is awesome, and Teresa of Calcutta was a heartless, evil, two-faced bitch, I say the crystals don't know shit. Unsurprising since they're just water.
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All our music is out of tune i will have to rewrite everything.
Well technically it is, but like Anakin pointed out somewhere, it is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Doesn't the "human capital" theory tell something like that too?
One human can develop some ideas, the second one as well, but if they meet it won't be 1+1=2, but 1+1=3, because they will exchange their knowledge, discuss, and find even better solutions than they would being alone.
In terms of progress,absolutely.
Id even argue its exponent. As you know more stuff, it becomes more usefull with what you know already and you learn even more from that.
But thats more a question of what you will have.
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Specially they bundle a load of doggy loans together then lie about the value(or likely of repayment) and sale it on.

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Mmm... But with those sets, you also have infinite defined (it is an axiome, but still).
Thats true, I guess is usefull from that front.

I do like the principle of seeing how much you can deduce yourself from the most basic assumptions possible.
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