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Old 2009-03-29, 17:42
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The Future

Okay, so we already know we're moving toward a point in time where the world starts changing so fast that we won't even be able to predict what's gonna happen tomorrow.

But heck with that, let's try anyway.

What will the world look like in the future? Flying octopuses, timetravel, worldwide web of network connections, go nuts! Let's predicts everything that's gonna happen, so when it happens we won't be surprised.


I've an idea, I'm afraid it's not yet doable at the moment, but why not in the future?
- Quantum Architecture
Borrow 3D spaces from parallel dimensions to maximize usage of space. Imagine a four story building, but when you enter the elevator, there are hundreds of floors for you to go to. You travel a bit, and when you go up to the 149th floor you finally notice it looks exactly the same as many other floors you've been to. The dust, the spiderwebs... even the view out of the windows is as if you're always in the same height. But inside each apartment in every of those floors there are different residents, different people living in every one of those floors. The explanation is that there really are only 4 floors in this building, and the fifth floor is the first floor all over again. But with different 3D space filling the void between its walls.


Now spill, what are your various visions of the future?
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Old 2009-03-29, 18:28
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Sounds a bit Lost-Room ish.
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Now>>202X - Short term (next decade or two) we will switch to more and more virtual products, digital distribution combined with augmented reality starts to replace a lot of stuff.
As the technology gets better, there is a slight back-lash from many traditional physical manufactures suddenly finding themselves worthless. (especially from things mostly based around image).

2012-2018 -> Evidence increase's for alien microbes, a large body of evidence now supports inter-stela life seeding, but not specifically too the earth.

2020 - > The first film is "conducted" in real time. Post production still takes time, as does pre-production. But the actors experience exactly the same things their characters in the film does, to them its just like living that life for a bit...mostly without cuts or delays of any sort.

2020 - Much success and understanding occures in medical fields over this decade. Regrowing teeth is already commonplace, and soon most single-tissue parts of the boder are regrown as standard practice. Knowledge mesh's have really sprung medicine forward, with some supprising simple answer's being overlooked. Meanwhile, correlations are found by the same online database's letting researchers easily spot what lifestyle,enviroments and diets are most likely to cause decease's.

2028 - LBA3 released independently.

2015-2030 -> Simultaneously to this,yet starting slightly later, products which do need to be physical will become increasingly more personal. Rapid-prototyping technology's fall in price, 3D-printers become common in towns much like photocopiers used to be.
Bespoke products become more the norm, and the standard materials used to produce them become completely recyclable or reusable.

2028 - Someone finds the mistake in relativity.

2030-40 - Nanotech spheres barely a few mm big become widely used to "fill in" the augmented world. These spheres can form any shape and hold it there....although not any colour, and they cant turn transparent.
Unfortunately, while these nanospheres are incredibly useful for potentially millions of tasks, they also create new forms of crime. Traditional "shape based" locks finally die out.

2043 - First country to officialy phase-out to running without any centralised govement. Custom builds of established knowledge and preposal database's online are used for the population to make over-arcing discisions. While much scare-mongering, and the occasionaly problem, it proves to work no worse then traditional democracys. Over the next decade, it becomes more of a success and other countrys (very slowly) follow suit.

2048 - Life extension officially becomes the most commented, voted on, and preposal-full nodes on the preposal database. Much money is poored into studying ideas put forward.

2050- By this time, theres very few big multinational company's left. This is partly because they keep swallowing each other up, but equally because AR and the Nano-spheres have made just about every non-related industry worthless. Food, Energy, Sphere and Glass's production become just about the only big business's left.
However, there would still be fierce competition within those markets.

Other markets, however, have dissolved into a more peer-2-peer system.
People tend to make or download items which are then assembled by themselves......theres no need for shops of people in between.

2055 -> Suspected alien radio signal broadcast. Heavily disputed, but nevertheless an non-earth source is found to be sending some sort of paturn out. (not specifically to us)

2060 - Thanks to both AR and reusable reshapable products and items, as well as the shift to p2p based commercial systems, humanity is drastically more efficient at using the worlds resources. However, the overall effect still isn't significant because of all the (currently) 3rd world country's now being just as industrialised as the west.

2065 - Quite late, but we finally end up on Mars. This time the mission is strongly financed by private investors, including the heads of Vuzix and Total Immersion....by this time some of the richest people in the world.

2070 - A generation of kids have now been fully imersed in a part-virtual world, where anything can look like anything else, and shape and form of things needing to be physical can be changed on a mear whim.
Materialism to them is a strange concept...food, space, and energy is worth something to them, but not much else. The idea of coverting a particular item of clothing, car, etc is an alien thing to them.

They still crave experiences, however. Flights into space, to the moon etc are very much in demand for those that have earnt them. (money still being used, but not many things take a lot...physical travel being one of the few left that does)

.... (continued)

2077 - First of many "Town war"s breaks out over a disputes about proposal voting rigging. Many deaths from mag-guns, and crude bombs, however, the war only lasts a few days as everyone else moves away.
Other countrys using a distributed democracy systems take this as a warning, and take some high tech (and low tech) messures to ensure that vote systems are kept unquestionably secure.

2080 -> The open-source universe projects Unified Quantum Theory is finished, explaining just about every observation taken of the universe thus far. While a bit trumph for science, its effects wont be felt for quite sometime.

2094 -> Complete dissolving of Europe starts, within just a few decades few the term "country" is being used to represent mere geographical regions. Those areas still with centralised governments (of with the US, and China are some of the few remaining), are looked apon as a bit backwards.

2090-2100 -> Last oil reserves dry up. Theres still some in small reserves for specialist purpose's, but the planets basicaly dry. (including those regions previously reserved for conservation). Oil company's naturely, are almost all gone by this point. There isnt too much effect on most country's, having switched to renewable and some nuclear. However, food distribution costs now mean there is far less choice in typical supermarkets. This lasts a few decades till hydrogen boots and planes can be invented. (battary powered devices, while much better, are still heavier and unsuitable for air or seacraft).

2115 -> Someone finds a mistake in Unified Quantum Theory. This cause's much confusion as so much technology now depends on it. Headlines from this time say "Reality Broken".

2120 -> SpaceRope (inc) Orbiting cluster platform goes online, letting just about any supersonic craft to be winched into orbit at incredibly low costs. SpaceRope becomes the last major earth-based company.

2120-2140 -> Rapid space development, spurd on by the new low costs into orbit, and the continued paturned signals being picked up from various areas of the universe. Many orbit space hotels are set up, and multiple moon base's.
There is a short dispute over Luner-land rights, but the (now) ancient bits of paper supporting that they own parts of the moon are quickly chucked out of court after its revealed the guy that sold them original "just decided" he owned the moon.

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Old 2009-03-29, 21:40
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Nice, also makes sense. But hmmm I think your predictions aren't quite daring enough. These things would happen like that and in those times IF technology will keep progressing the way it does now. But that's not gonna happen does it? Soon enough every wacko with an idea will be able to make it come true. Currently there are about 6 billion people worldwide... progress will be unimaginably faster. I think all your predictions will happen at some point almost instantly one after the other. Like some kind of a shield blasts up and wonderful chaos will reign the earth, blowing up everything that makes our society conservative.
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I'd hope at some point we get some electricity.

That, and something to churn this fucking butter.

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2101 - War was beginning.
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2101 - War was beginning.
Cool, does that mean there won't be another war until 2101?
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I think he means the Warcraft AR wars of the early hundreds, when thousands of addicts accounts where hacked mid-game, tricking them into fighting in citys and towns rather then the reversed fields it was normaly played in.
While only a few number of deaths happened that day itself, the backlash against the game, and preposals to ban it, enraged many fans....some, now, with a newfound sense of bloodlust, took that rage onto the streets. The lines between reality and fiction where now lost to them.
No city in the world was safe, with random killings from Orcs and Humans alike. Tens of thousands died. Many countrys declared a "War on Warcraft", but this only made mater matters worse. Peace envoys from the Principality of Runescape were all killed.
The war went on for about a decade, before everyone just got bored.
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Good god man, WoW as a mass pastime? That's hell on earth! Idiocracy!!
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As always with those predictions of the future, I doubt it will all be as fast as you said (well, excluding LBA 3). It'll probably take some hundreds of years for a real revolution like that all to happen.
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It hasnt so far.
Microchips, Internet, Cellphones...all happened incredibly rapidly.
Each time the gap to mass adoption getting less and less.
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Well, your political ideas mostly, not the AR stuff.
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oh, politics will be as slow and as useless as ever.
But I think technology will let social factors overwealm it, reducing its importance.

The fact that Obama's organisation is using Google Moderator to field questions from the public on a mass scale is, imho, the first little sign of things to come.
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The fact that Obama's organisation is using Google Moderator to field questions from the public on a mass scale is, imho, the first little sign of things to come.
The question is though, judging by the popularity in polls for his policies (not his overall rating), whether he's even using such things. His fiscal proposals have been quite unpopular (below even Bush-levels in some cases) but he's pushing hard to get them through Congress.
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The Moderator thing only went active relatively recently, and is purely used to get a list of what questions the public wants answered. Its not really "what the public wants" more "what the public wants answered."

Allthough, obviously, a large number of negatively phrased questions would be a strong indicator of public view. But there wasnt much about future-policys said so far. It was more stuff concerned with the previous administration (Iraq,blah blah), current banking issues (bonus's, bailouts etc), and education.

And yeah, some questions will be/are dodged, but its still nice to have a method for questions to be put to world leaders. (without bribes involved anyway)

Unfortuntely the questions seem to be stopped for now, but they seem to be doing it weakly &or still in the testing phase.
http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/ope...se_at_1200_am/


I think as long as they keep doing it though, I think it will develop over time.
After all, its in their interest to keep in tune with public opinion, and in the long term they might find some people even giving quite good suggestions. "Why dont you...?".
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2020 - > The first film is "conducted" in real time. Post production still takes time, as does pre-production. But the actors experience exactly the same things their characters in the film does, to them its just like living that life for a bit...mostly without cuts or delays of any sort.
This is actually such a fantasic idea.
I wonder how noone thought of this before.
And why would this happen only in 2020?


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2012: World ends. Tsunamis, tornadoes, volcanoes, floods, starvation, massive stupidity and violence, raids, pillaging, sacking, governments attempting to un-arm the population, loss of the value of all currencies (preceded by a huge fall of the economy), chosen civilians being taken to nuclear shelters, the gravitational field of an intrusive planet passing near the Earth, causing the change of it's polarity and several natural disasters, and, last but not least the WW3. There will be noone left alive (unless Sendell saves us). I wonder why I even make this post in such case... everything gets so meaningless from this perspective.
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The Mayans got it wrong, but they were close. The catastrophe will actually happen in 2014. Either way, it won't be the end of the world, even if there will be many casualties. And maybe it looked so different to them back then, that they just misinterpreted it as the end of the world.
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The mayan calendar doesn't clearly predict a catastrophe in 2012, it just ends at 2012. Personally I'm tired of those "predictions", they're non-constructive (the "we're all going to die" ones).
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Personally I'm tired of those "predictions", they're non-constructive (the "we're all going to die" ones).
Yes.
I'm aware there'll always be some nut saying the world will end, holding a sign saying "repent" - hate those too. There had been predictions as these before. However I believe the 2012 one is different.

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Either way, it won't be the end of the world, even if there will be many casualties.
Or maybe it's just that each generation always likes to think "no, it won't be this time, not with me... maybe in far future".

Their very distant future back then is now, why avoid to face that; it has to be at some point. Why should it always be postponed to some distant future when we're not alive anymore? or are you implying that it wouldn't ever happen? like, yeah, we'll all fuck up the Earth for a few decades more until we develop a technology to colonize other planets and move on like that, making colonies on Mars, and slowly taking over the solar system. (IF it could even hold on steadily until then, considering the continuous and increasing rate of consumption, population, pollution and all that)

That sounds unreal for me.


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And maybe it looked so different to them back then, that they just misinterpreted it as the end of the world.
Nope. It clearly shows that. And anyway, the mayan calendar wasn't a highschool project whereas someone could merely "misinterpret" it. Like "yeah, uh, I guess it's around here the world will end, what do you think dude?".

It was one of the most important artifacts they have developed within their entire civilization. In fact, the astronomers were the most important positions in their hierarchy. I guess there had to be a reason for that. Also, they have developed an astronomy far superior than ours a long time before us.

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Anyway, I was kinda joking with the thread, basically, putting all the worst possibilities in my previous post; some may happen, some may not, maybe many of them at once. Who knows. I don't wanna sound like a lunatic who believes in all this to the bone and will argue to death how the mayans or whatever were Gods or anything, each one to his own beliefs, but I also don't think 2012 will be a year like any other.
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I thought it was obvious I was talking nonsense

What? I admit I don't really know anything about the Maya, what kind of "project" did they have there?
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What? I admit I don't really know anything about the Maya, what kind of "project" did they have there?
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*groan*

Actualy, that makes sense, maybe they just got the data wrong, and it predicted...thousands of years in advance...the date when Autodesk would buy them up.
2012 could be the date it merges with 3dsmax :P

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Yes, they were very advanced for their time, but we have a bazzlion times more knowledge, as well as a much more detailed knowledge of how gravity and orbits work.
We also have computers.
Our predicting power compared to theres is unquestionably millions of times better.

The only reason they could possibly make a prediction that we couldnt would be if they had some data that we are lacking today, say, an astral body in the sky that is no longer there.
However, you cant extrapolate orbits thousands of years in advance for something that small they wouldnt get a precise date from that, youd get "might hit us sometime within this century period".
And if the thing wasnt small, we would have spotted it already.

Hell, we detected pluto by just looking at the sun wobbling...and that was a hundred years ago.
Our knowledge of small astroids is too small, and dangerious. Theres no question we could be whiped out and not see it coming.
But anything possibly to predict that long ago couldnt hit us unaware.
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Well. First, I'd say this is a quite presumptions and materialistic way of thinking. Sure thing we have evolved much beyond them technologically and in science - but perhaps that's not all there is to it. They (the mayan astronomers/shamans/sorcerers, not all the population) had occult and hidden ancient knowledge that we wouldn't ever find out by our logical science (and unfortunately most of it we simply burned or destroyed when we came in contact with them - or was taken away and is now hidden). Anyway, I'm not getting much into that because this is not the important part. The mayan calendar is just one of many signs predicting the 2012.

Talking about physical evidences that we can see with our oh-so-wonderful technology, since you said "And if the thing wasnt small, we would have spotted it already", it was spotted already.

Don't take my word, but research for yourself. You will find websites saying it's a big fakery and others proving how it's true. Learn more about the Nibiru, consider it fake or not... but imo it's likely to be true and I think they are covering it up - not because it's a big conspiracy - but just because they obviously don't want to create any panic until they are sure of everything, and ultimately, until they can't hide it anymore because it will be visible in the sky.

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What? I admit I don't really know anything about the Maya, what kind of "project" did they have there?
Basically it just shows that in 2012, it ends the final Earth cycle (there was a equivalent one thousands of years ago, coinciding with some other big Earth catastrophe of the past, but this time it will be bigger because the Nibiru will pass much closer to the earth than the last time (in case you don't know, orbits change slightly each time (and "slightly", in a space scale, is a significant difference))).


PS: I have not just googled these stuff, in fact, the wiki link provided above was searched in the previous 5 mins just to give you a guideline to study about the subject, but me myself have been studying these subjects for a long long time ago.
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All that sounds a bit wacky, SGK.
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The universe IS a bit wacky, Medur.


Aproveitando a ocasião, já que vc tá aqui e mostra algum interesse em ler essas 'baboseiras', se vc tiver tempo, leia aqui o que dizem contra, e os que dizem a favor.

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Well. First, I'd say this is a quite presumptions and materialistic way of thinking. Sure thing we have evolved much beyond them technologically and in science - but perhaps that's not all there is to it. They (the mayan astronomers/shamans/sorcerers, not all the population) had occult and hidden ancient knowledge that we wouldn't ever find out by our logical science (and unfortunately most of it we simply burned or destroyed when we came in contact with them - or was taken away and is now hidden). Anyway, I'm not getting much into that because this is not the important part. The mayan calendar is just one of many signs predicting the 2012.

Talking about physical evidences that we can see with our oh-so-wonderful technology, since you said "And if the thing wasnt small, we would have spotted it already", it was spotted already.

Don't take my word, but research for yourself. You will find websites saying it's a big fakery and others proving how it's true. Learn more about the Nibiru, consider it fake or not... but imo it's likely to be true and I think they are covering it up - not because it's a big conspiracy - but just because they obviously don't want to create any panic until they are sure of everything, and ultimately, until they can't hide it anymore because it will be visible in the sky.


Basically it just shows that in 2012, it ends the final Earth cycle (there was a equivalent one thousands of years ago, coinciding with some other big Earth catastrophe of the past, but this time it will be bigger because the Nibiru will pass much closer to the earth than the last time (in case you don't know, orbits change slightly each time (and "slightly", in a space scale, is a significant difference))).


PS: I have not just googled these stuff, in fact, the wiki link provided above was searched in the previous 5 mins just to give you a guideline to study about the subject, but me myself have been studying these subjects for a long long time ago.
What about the Age of Aquarius? How the fuck am I supposed to not believe in that when the song tells me to...
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