Would Twinsunians embrace FunFrockism after what happened?

[bloodhound]

When I heard the news about two UFOs getting shot down in North America this weekend, I thought about how the Twinsunians reacted very differently to a "breach of airspace": They let the UFO land and then Twinsen (who I guess is kind of a mayor of the very loosely governed island) acted as leader in meeting with them. So Twinsun went from a repressive military regime to complete laissez-faire pacifism without any military or intelligence service where a short welcoming event is everything needed to deal with an alien invasion.

And let's be honest: That didn't work out at all. Do you think that the Twinsunians (especially the younger ones who were too young to remember the bad things about the repressive LBA1 time or the parents of the easily-kidnapped children) would think that FunFrock would have dealt better with a hostile alien invasion and that it's time to bring back some parts of the old system?

[Polaris]

Whoaaa, what a broad themed-question !

I don't know if the comparison stands, seeing that the US didn't start gunning these down until one of them was proven to be a spying device. Maybe the situation would've been different on Twinsun as well, had they been in a high-alert state.

As for FunFrockism... My father has a theory (that I would need to look into), stating that Nacional Socialism is something every democracy tends to. The allure of the statement "we are all brothers and equals, and we are better than the others" is too strong to resist for too long.
I should look into that and talk with him about it some more...

[bloodhound]

Yeah, from the lack of replies I also noticed that I might have focused the topic better '

Good point about the high-alert state. I think there's still a bit of a difference between finding one's own group superior (which I think American exceptionalism also fits) and on the other hand killing all Jews and invading Poland. Aaaand, FunFrock wasn't racist, was he? Haha

[CiB]

I suspect that after the events of LBA2 it would become common knowledge that Zeelich's invasion was due to how Dark Monk manipulated the Emporer of Zeelich. So, no I don't think for a second that Twinsunians would embrace Funfrock at all!

Even without that though, once the crisis is dealt with the two planets did befriend each other and it seems likely that history will remember the events of LBA2 as just a misunderstanding at the start of this friendship. That is, while it didn't work out in the short term, being open and friendly to the Zeelichians probably did work out in the long term.

[bloodhound]

Hmm, maybe. You're right that they won't like FunFrock now, but maybe they'd still favor the security that came with his dictatorship? In the real world there also doesn't always develop friendship when the situation is somewhat similar, like between Korea and Japan. Especially with the irreparable damage the Zeelichians caused to the holy Temple of Bu.

[Polaris]

I would've said that FunFrock is a lot of things, but not racist, then I remembered this '

Originally Posted by ChaosFish

Lightwing: whose idea was it to include black Quetches at the Construction Site in Relentless?

Frederick Raynal: lightwing: Funfrock is a real bad guy

[Homeless]

My dear intergalactic explorer, you pose a conundrum that requires an unconventional approach. The Twinsunians, like many of us, cling to the past, even when it proves to be a hot mess. But why must we choose between the old and the new when we can blend them into a delicious, interdimensional smoothie?

The Twinsunians, young and old alike, must let go of their trauma and embrace change, much like I embraced a group of extraterrestrial lobsters at a party once. FunFrock's military background may have some merit, but we must not forget his authoritarian tendencies and his penchant for disappearing people.

Instead, we must seek a hybrid system that harnesses the best of both worlds. The Twinsunians must be open-minded and adaptable, like a chameleon on a rainbow, while still respecting their past and traditions, like a dancing robot doing the Macarena.

Ultimately, it is not the system that will save them from hostile alien invasion, but their collective will and determination. They must unite, like a swarm of cosmic bees, to fight for their survival and overcome any challenge that comes their way, be it an extraterrestrial attack or a malfunctioning hoverboard.

So let us raise a glass of moon juice to the Twinsunians and their future, where they embrace the strange and the wacky, while remaining grounded in their purpose and their values.

[CiB]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Hmm, maybe. You're right that they won't like FunFrock now, but maybe they'd still favor the security that came with his dictatorship? In the real world there also doesn't always develop friendship when the situation is somewhat similar, like between Korea and Japan. Especially with the irreparable damage the Zeelichians caused to the holy Temple of Bu.

The situation between South Korea and Japan is based on centuries of bad blood and actions that make the absolute worst things we saw the Zeelichians do in LBA2 look like a weeks holiday at a 5 star hotel complete with a spa. Indeed, had the Zeelichians done anything like what the Samurai used to get up to in Korea LBA2's age certificate/rating would be a lot higher. The situation between Zeelich and Twinsun is *nothing* like the situation between South Korea and Japan.

In the real world, after the sort of misunderstanding that led to the initial conflict between Zeelich and Twinsun (which lasted what, a week? Maybe two?) the two sides tend not to rapidly realise they have a common enemy (in this case Funfrock) and then deal with that common enemy as allies. That is the sort of situation that could lead to lasting friendship.

As for them causing damage to the "holy temple" of Bu... didn't the Twinsunians wreck that place when they turned it into a theme park? It was no longer a holy site long before the Zeelichians arrived. It seems by LBA2 all people remembered about the Temple of Bu is that it's where Twinsen found the book. I don't think anyone on Twinsun considers it a holy site- we might as LBA fans but no one on Twinsun does, otherwise they wouldn't have turned it into the Twinsun equivalent of Disney World.

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Polaris

I would've said that FunFrock is a lot of things, but not racist, then I remembered this '

I was thinking 'Why would working as a soldier be better than a construction worker slave?', but they were peace-time soldiers, and their fat bellies are a strong hint that their training wasn't that hard

Originally Posted by Homeless

...So let us raise a glass of moon juice to the Twinsunians and their future, where they embrace the strange and the wacky, while remaining grounded in their purpose and their values.

Cheers! Are you practicing to become a politician?

Originally Posted by CiB

The situation between South Korea and Japan is based on centuries of bad blood and actions that make the absolute worst things we saw the Zeelichians do in LBA2 look like a weeks holiday at a 5 star hotel complete with a spa.

Fair point, I should have read about the history. I think it must have lasted years though, at least I don't see an indication why they'd be so fast to construct a UFO base inside a mountain. Certainly took me more than a week also when I first played the game

[CiB]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Fair point, I should have read about the history. I think it must have lasted years though, at least I don't see an indication why they'd be so fast to construct a UFO base inside a mountain. Certainly took me more than a week also when I first played the game

It's certainly not years- look at Zoe's pregnancy. At the start of the game they're expecting the baby soon and then she gives birth just before the ending (Twinsen seeing the pram has strong "I am seeing the bnaby for the first time" vibes) Additionally, if it were years then the Zeelichians would have abducted children and Twinsen would have rescued teenagers. Based on this, the game can't be set over a period much longer than a couple of weeks- certainly not over a period of months.

Games frequently are set over a period of time that is... wildly different to it's playtime. One of the best examples of this is Batman: Arkham Knight, a game that is set over one night. But beating it's main story is about 15-16 hours of playtime, and doing everything for 100% completion will take nearer 50 hours. But it all happens in one night, apparently.

[Homeless]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Cheers! Are you practicing to become a politician?

Well, my dear fellow cosmic traveler, I am delighted to see that my words have touched your inner politician. However, I must confess that I have no aspirations of becoming one myself. I prefer to leave that to those who have a greater affinity for the mundane realities of governance.

I'm not sure what's next for me - maybe I'll become the leader of a colony of space ants, or start a movement for the liberation of misunderstood moon rocks. Or maybe I'll just stick to my day job of being a cosmic prankster and spreading good vibes wherever I go.

So let's raise a glass of cosmic kool-aid to the power of imagination and weirdness, to the beauty of thinking outside the box and doing things differently. Let's celebrate the freedom we have to explore and discover new things, to make a brighter future for ourselves and all the weird and wonderful creatures out there. The universe is a crazy place, my friend, and it's up to us to make the most of it!

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by CiB

It's certainly not years- look at Zoe's pregnancy.

Hmm, if the inhabitants of the LBA universe are waaay faster at getting things done than here (building an airport in days compared to the 16 years for the BER airport here), then it would also be conceivable that they have different gestation periods and different aging speed than us, wouldn't it?

My biggest confusion right now is, if it really only took Baldino a few days to build a rocket and to fly to Zeelich, then what was he thinking in LBA1?! "Oh yeah, so there's this planet right next to us that nobody ever visited and that might have aliens. I could reach there by Friday, but fuck that, let me work on that Jet Pack instead, which doesn't solve any problem better that a 10 Euro inflatable mattress."

[CUvox]

Both Zeelich and Twinsun use single stage to orbit ships, they are horizontal submarine-like rockets at all.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

I could reach there by Friday, but fuck that, let me work on that Jet Pack instead

I think he just wanted to reach the moon and has been at it for some time ? I mean, we see his ship covered up on Twinsun right away in LBA2.

Originally Posted by Homeless

So let's raise a glass of cosmic kool-aid to the power of imagination and weirdness

A... Aye *awkwardly raises glass*

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Polaris

I think he just wanted to reach the moon and has been at it for some time ? I mean, we see his ship covered up on Twinsun right away in LBA2.

Makes sense, I forgot about that detail.