[2.21] is working on a new LBA

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Homeless

This.

[Polaris]

Who am I to judge

[Double-J]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

This.

LBA 3: Rise of the Dong

[Battler]

Originally Posted by Double-J

And really, is the reboot all that different from the remakes? Like, if you're rebooting LBA 1 into a new game, with a new engine, maybe retelling the story, changing some characters, updating it for a 2023 audience, etc., couldn't you do the same thing - at a substantially smaller cost - by going the "remake" route with an older but still functionally acceptable engine?

Actually, they're doing the remasters on Unreal Engine 5, the same engine they chose for the reboots.

[Reek]

Originally Posted by Battler

Actually, they're doing the remasters on Unreal Engine 5, the same engine they chose for the reboots.

that supports my theory that the reboot has been shelved. if i had to guess, the supposed prototype for the reboot became the basis for the remasters

[SpaceGuitarist]

Just to make it clear for everyone here, this was also one of the reasons they didn't go for LBA3, as per Didier's own words (with all due respect to this great artist and genius):

Originally Posted by Didier Chanfray

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When we started the discussion with Fred, Samantha (our new writer) and Ben about the new game, we quickly realized that the third game we initially wanted to make - the Genesis of the Stellar Entity - would be strange to make. The script was a first draft written to end the series. With the new studio, we do not want to end the series. We want to attract a wider audience and share the wonderful world, iconic characters and story with as many players as possible, so that more Twinsunian adventures can be created.

We decided to reboot Twinsen’s story.

I know some of you may be very sad to hear that we won't be creating the Genesis of the Stellar Entity. We strongly believe in a bright future LBA and think this is the best choice to ensure this future. Our goal is that our children and grandchildren will be able to continue playing new LBA adventures in the years to come.
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Now, bear with me here for a while:

• Uhh, the reason you can't make a sequel is... ...because you want our children and grandchildren to continue playing new LBA adventures!? How does that add up?! Shouldn't making lots of sequels be the answer to that? In other words, how does exactly the wish to keep a legacy for the future means impairing the production of it's very continual?
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• Why are we indulging into rewriting the whole original story for the reboots, but, somehow, if an old draft was meant to end the series it cannot simply be rewritten to adapt for an open ending?
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• Shouldn't the answer to "(...) so that more Twinsunian adventures can be created (...)" be: start with LBA3? And then to 4, 5, 6...? Why should anybody remake the first adventures when they are perfectly playable to anyone who enjoys this sort of game anyway?
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[SpaceGuitarist]

Disclaimer: before anyone says the obvious "hurr durr but a remaster/reboot would revitalise the series and attract new fans and a wider audience" ------> so would a new title!

Which could be named any of a million names if you don't want to call it LBA3 as we already established.

[Reek]

i actually think that if they go for a 1:1 remake, i.e., just redo the assets but don't update the gameplay, quest design or writing, it won't revitalize the series at all, since all of these are very dated at this point, and honestly, only die hard fans would care about a remake of this type

[Neko]

Originally Posted by Reek

i actually think that if they go for a 1:1 remake, i.e., just redo the assets but don't update the gameplay, quest design or writing, it won't revitalize the series at all, since all of these are very dated at this point, and honestly, only die hard fans would care about a remake of this type

Yeah the remake is only for short term cash and for us nostalgia. Then reboot

[Polaris]

What he said can make sense I think...

We want to turn LBA into a franchise -> The Stellar entity doesn't allow for that & best way to make a franchise is to start from the beginning

I mean it's not an absurd standpoint... But then why not do it ? Why waste time and energy with a port and a remake x(

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Reek

i actually think that if they go for a 1:1 remake, i.e., just redo the assets but don't update the gameplay, quest design or writing, it won't revitalize the series at all, since all of these are very dated at this point, and honestly, only die hard fans would care about a remake of this type

Right??

Originally Posted by Polaris

What he said can make sense I think...

We want to turn LBA into a franchise -> The Stellar entity doesn't allow for that & best way to make a franchise is to start from the beginning

Posts like this are exactly what makes me angry. Did you even read what I wrote? Or you just want to feed the usual unproductive counterpoint to the table just for the hell of it?
Either way - I better just move along. Sheesh.

[Polaris]

Wut ? What did I say ?

*rereads*

I didn't say I agree with it, I said it could make sense, but even then, they are being incoherent in regards to it...

No really, what did I piss you off with ?

[ras maxim]

Looks like a generic asset-flip from Google Play store, with random props from older LBA games thrown around.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Polaris

No really, what did I piss you off with ?

Because we all know "how it can make sense" in an ordinary sense, which is why I took the time to make an elaborate answer and show us how it does not make sense if you take a deeper look at the subject. Therefore there is no point in bringing back the trivial sense it had, if, the very reason I was posting it was only so I could break it apart and reveal what it actually says.

Originally Posted by Polaris

I didn't say I agree with it

You did not agree, true, but annoyingly only placed your disagreement as only about 30% of your post, at the very end.

Originally Posted by Polaris

What he said can make sense I think...

We want to turn LBA into a franchise -> The Stellar entity doesn't allow for that & best way to make a franchise is to start from the beginning

I mean it's not an absurd standpoint... But then why not do it ? Why waste time and energy with a port and a remake x(

In red = redundant counterpoint which adds nothing to the conversation
In green = the disagreeing part which is the only thing that should have been kept

[Polaris]

Pff, I wrote a message complementary to yours, stating that they are incoherent even if their plan would be making sense, and you get pissed. GG.

Originally Posted by ras maxim

Looks like a generic asset-flip from Google Play store, with random props from older LBA games thrown around.

Yeah, it's very bland
Happy to see you though

[CS2x]

You can do many things with a chicken. You can pet them, feed them nourishing seeds, lie down next to them, have them relax on your lap, enjoy them emitting their 40 (pretty deeply communicative) clucks or so. But you can’t fly with them or have them become a godparent to your kids.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by CS2x

You can do many things with a chicken. You can pet them, feed them nourishing seeds, lie down next to them, have them relax on your lap, enjoy them emitting their 40 (pretty deeply communicative) clucks or so. But you can’t fly with them or have them become a godparent to your kids.

the famous 3 am cs2x post

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Neko

the famous 3 am cs2x post

[Polaris]

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by CS2x

You can do many things with a chicken. You can pet them, feed them nourishing seeds, lie down next to them, have them relax on your lap, enjoy them emitting their 40 (pretty deeply communicative) clucks or so. But you can’t fly with them or have them become a godparent to your kids.

Is this related to Love & Relationships?

[CS2x]

There is some esoteric connection LBA in that chicken post, I am sure of it. But can't see it yet...

I must admit, I can see why they had doubts about making an "LBA3". The series doesn't have the popularity of something massive that can just brazenly come out with a sequel 26 years later. Having said that, to me the best plan all along would have been to tweak the LBA3 script so that it is fully accessible to new players (after all, many of us played LBA2 and didn't miss the first), call it "Twinsen's Little Big Adventure" (or something) and market it is a re-start of the franchise for a new generation.

What I don't understand though is how Outcast 2 is coming out - a sequel to an amazing but equally overlooked game to LBA. (If not moreso.) In that instance they did do a remaster first, so perhaps that brought in some funds...though I don't know how well it did.

YouTube

[Lightwing]

I just finished going through this thread. The ups. The downs. The tears of joy. The cries of pain. What a journey.

Let’s hope for the best.

[CS2x]

Originally Posted by Lightwing

I just finished going through this thread. The ups. The downs. The tears of joy. The cries of pain. What a journey.

Let’s hope for the best.

That about sums it up.

At the end of the day, it was exciting to hear news of a new LBA project. I keep changing my mind on it, but may as well choose to have hope and wish the team wisdom & all the best.

[Quetch]

Apparently, on May 17th, 5 PM (Paris time, UTC+2), during the AG French Direct event, [2.21] will publicly release a teaser of their demo, as part of their YouTube premiere... Check it out:

Hello everyone,

We hope you're doing well! We're delighted to inform you that we'll be taking part in the "AG French Direct" event, a platform dedicated to showcasing French games. This event will be broadcast on YouTube, and we're excited to have you join us.

During this event, we'll be revealing a teaser trailer for our upcoming demo. It's a sneak peek that we think you'll appreciate, offering a glimpse into the exciting journey that lies ahead.

The event is scheduled for 5pm (Paris time UTC+2). You can tune in at https://www.youtube.com/@ActuGaming/.

If you've not done so already, we recommend adding our game to your wishlist. This way, you'll be among the first to receive all the latest updates and news.

We look forward to sharing this experience with you on Wednesday. Your support is greatly valued, and we can't wait to bring you along on our journey.

See you on Wednesday!

Ben and the [2.21] team

[Polaris]

Why do they insist so much on wishlisting the game ? They've said it so many times now my anti-pressure instinct is acting up, and I want to take it off...