What does it mean if someone is general revivalist Proto-Indo-European?

[Neko]

I dont grasp that fanatism either, but to each his own

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Neko

I dont grasp that fanatism either, but to each his own

a bit like Zeelichians hoping for the prophecy

[bloodhound]

Yeah, CUvox, I like that you have a vision, and I see how revolutionizing communication could help with achieving world peace, but there’s still improvements needed before you can convince a lot of people.

[Neko]

It would solve nothing. Name one religion or cult where the community doesnt also have crime, rape, stealing, murder or any other sin.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

how revolutionizing communication could help with achieving world peace

Yeah, I have witnessed how much of a friendlier place the world got after the internet

[Reek]

only alon abutbul can save us now

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by Neko

It would solve nothing. Name one religion or cult where the community doesnt also have crime, rape, stealing, murder or any other sin.

The best we can hope for is an incremental improvement, so here's how we could get closer to world peace by taking ideas from religion and by innovating communication. Let's imagine this improved MBN forum software:

Communication:
Let's say there's an argument on the MBN. One member wants to send off a post, and when he hits on "Submit Reply", there pops up a dialog: "It seems like you haven't listened to the other guys' arguments at all. Are you sure you want to send this?" or "I've reformulated your response using the framework of non-violent communication. Do you want to accept this suggestion?"
He can still send off his unfiltered garbage, but the post would appear in gray, so it won't be as visually prominent as the other posts (or it will be hidden by default).

Religion
I've read that neuroscientists found out that Buddhist compassion meditation works. And similarly, I can well imagine how praying together for troubled church members (or their family) can help with compassion. So if a forum member seems to show a lack of compassion, the AI could write that member a private post to suggest taking an online course, which can be gamified by allowing the user after completion to gain access to additional smilies or additional MBN themes.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

The best we can hope for is an incremental improvement, so here's how we could get closer to world peace by taking ideas from religion and by innovating communication. Let's imagine this improved MBN forum software:

Communication:
Let's say there's an argument on the MBN. One member wants to send off a post, and when he hits on "Submit Reply", there pops up a dialog: "It seems like you haven't listened to the other guys' arguments at all. Are you sure you want to send this?" or "I've reformulated your response using the framework of non-violent communication. Do you want to accept this suggestion?"
He can still send off his unfiltered garbage, but the post would appear in gray, so it won't be as visually prominent as the other posts (or it will be hidden by default).

Religion
I've read that neuroscientists found out that Buddhist compassion meditation works. And similarly, I can well imagine how praying together for troubled church members (or their family) can help with compassion. So if a forum member seems to show a lack of compassion, the AI could write that member a private post to suggest taking an online course, which can be gamified by allowing the user after completion to gain access to additional smilies or additional MBN themes.

Oh great!

This guy has ideas of...

AI + censorship combined;

Plus, a mandatory virtual mental rehab bootcamp!

Yeah, that's quite like how peace is achieved, and people become better people, right??
Just force everyone to conform to your mindset. And bang!--- peace.

You'd be a great dictator one day. North Korea is proud of you.
Transpose these ideas in the real world and you'll make a name for yourself.

[bloodhound]

The politically correct term is not censorship, but deplatforming
I'd say that the motivations and the approach are more similar to what Jesse is doing (with obviously a much higher degree of steering) than to Kim Jong Un, who doesn't allow to discuss some topics at all no matter the communication style. We've seen on the MBN that complete absence of censorship doesn't work, and my idea isn't so much forcing, as it is nudging, as you could still post whatever is legal, but it would be a bit less convenient for others to read (and a bit less convenient for you to post).

[Reek]

i'm surprised no one here mentioned pazuzu yet

[bloodhound]

Pazuzu? Is the demon from The Exorcist also from Babel? I've only watched the first film, which is a gem.

@SGK: Name me one locked thread, where it wouldn't have been beneficial for an AI to early-on steer us towards a more polite discussion based on mutual understanding, I'll wait

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

@SGK: Name me one locked thread, where it wouldn't have been beneficial for an AI to early-on steer us towards a more polite discussion based on mutual understanding, I'll wait

All of them.



I don't believe in putting people in straitjackets and hindering conversations.



It's stupid and useless. Lemme break down something to ya:
You don't like what's being said? Just don't participate. Noone is obliged to read anything, or to post anything, or to engage in any conversation. You join the topics which you want to, because others also want to. As long as people want to, it will happen, else nothing would happen at all. Wanting something and being able to do that something is called freewill. I believe in freewill.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

All of them.



I don't believe in putting people in straitjackets and hindering conversations.



It's stupid and useless. Lemme break down something to ya:
You don't like what's being said? Just don't participate. Noone is obliged to read anything, or to post anything, or to engage in any conversation. You join the topics which you want to, because others also want to. As long as people want to, it will happen, else nothing would happen at all. Wanting something and being able to do that something is called freewill. I believe in freewill.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

The best we can hope for is an incremental improvement, so here's how we could get closer to world peace by taking ideas from religion and by innovating communication. Let's imagine this improved MBN forum software:

Communication:
Let's say there's an argument on the MBN. One member wants to send off a post, and when he hits on "Submit Reply", there pops up a dialog: "It seems like you haven't listened to the other guys' arguments at all. Are you sure you want to send this?" or "I've reformulated your response using the framework of non-violent communication. Do you want to accept this suggestion?"
He can still send off his unfiltered garbage, but the post would appear in gray, so it won't be as visually prominent as the other posts (or it will be hidden by default).

Religion
I've read that neuroscientists found out that Buddhist compassion meditation works. And similarly, I can well imagine how praying together for troubled church members (or their family) can help with compassion. So if a forum member seems to show a lack of compassion, the AI could write that member a private post to suggest taking an online course, which can be gamified by allowing the user after completion to gain access to additional smilies or additional MBN themes.

I....
Don't think we should let AI be the ethical guide for us, for who would feed the ethics? And who are they to judge? Maybe I wouldn't mind if an AI assisted me in proposing solutions (to me) for problems if I fed it the mbn guidelines, but not without human interferance and decision making.

The other problem with using ever expanding data and ai to monitor people, is that you make it impossible for ethics and laws to evolve. To be fair, this is something that I read, but it sounded plausible. For example, if you give police too much monitoring tools, let's say in the time of the spanish inquisition, you cannot grow a group of people who have resistance against it. So if encforcement is too all powerfull, you cannot learn and evolve the norm.
Not sure if that makes sense? what do you guys think?



Also the

[bloodhound]

OK, let's pick one example of a locked thread, which is the one where Hin wanted to discuss if the MBN should become a friendlier place.

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

I don't believe in putting people in straitjackets and hindering conversations.

You don't believe in hindering conversations, great. But what was the point of that conversation? Did it bring us any closer to answering the question if the MBN should become nicer?

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

Wanting something and being able to do that something is called freewill. I believe in freewill.

I believe in also taking into account what others want. Sometimes restrictions are good. If in LBA1 you were allowed to save any time, then it would mathematically be better, because everyone can still decide they want the extra challenge and give themselves the rule to only save at level beginnings. But many people would ruin their fun. I'd say the AI I imagine is similar to smoking regulations. You're still allowed to smoke, but if you do (in Europe, no idea what it's like in Brazil), you have to look at the disgusting pictures on the cigarette packages and you have to pay extra taxes, and get made into a bit of an outsider. Because with both smoking and with toxic behavior, there are costs to society.

Originally Posted by Neko

I....
The other problem with using ever expanding data and ai to monitor people, is that you make it impossible for ethics and laws to evolve. To be fair, this is something that I read, but it sounded plausible. For example, if you give police too much monitoring tools, let's say in the time of the spanish inquisition, you cannot grow a group of people who have resistance against it. So if encforcement is too all powerfull, you cannot learn and evolve the norm.
Not sure if that makes sense? what do you guys think?

Hmm, intersting! Didn't ethics evolve reasonably linearly to being more and more accommodating of weak groups? I'd be pretty confident that behavior that's seen as not nice nowadays would be regarded even worse in the future.

Originally Posted by Neko

Also the

Censorship AI already kicking in?

[CUvox]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Pazuzu? Is the demon from The Exorcist also from Babel? I've only watched the first film, which is a gem.

@SGK: Name me one locked thread, where it wouldn't have been beneficial for an AI to early-on steer us towards a more polite discussion based on mutual understanding, I'll wait

Pazuzu is from Nibiru. Saying otherwise is totally Trojan Speed! Proto-Indo-European sounds contrary to this all.

[SpaceGuitarist]

@ Neko : Free my willy

@ bloodhound : disagree and I hope you never get to positions of power

@ CUvox : CUvox strikes again!!! this guy is unbelievable

[bloodhound]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

@ Neko : Free my willy

Guys, get a rooooom

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

@ bloodhound : disagree and I hope you never get to positions of power

It's an idea whose time has come. It's already unstoppable.

@CUvox: Trojan, isn't that a condom brand? Boy do I love BRANDS!
Sorry, just messing with you.
Maybe I haven't really understood what PIE is about, but my idea was that it could be turned into something pragmatic.

[Neko]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

@ Neko : Free my willy

@ bloodhound : disagree and I hope you never get to positions of power

@ CUvox : CUvox strikes again!!! this guy is unbelievable

Yikes.

Sides if it is still not freed its probably never going to be

[CUvox]

Originally Posted by bloodhound

Maybe I haven't really understood what PIE is about, but my idea was that it could be turned into something pragmatic.

Sample of PIE:

Ou̯is eku̯ōs-ku̯e: Ou̯is, ku̯esi̯o u̯l̥̄nā ne est, eku̯oms spekét, oinom gu̯r̥úm u̯oghom u̯éghontm̥, oinom-ku̯e megām bhorom, oinom-ku̯e dhghmonm̥ ōkú bhérontm̥. Ou̯is nu éku̯obhos u̯euku̯ét: "Kr̥d ághnutoi moí, eku̯oms ágontm̥ u̯īrom u̯ídn̥tei". Eku̯ōs tu u̯euku̯ónt: "Kludhí, ou̯i! kr̥d ághnutoi n̥sméi u̯ídn̥tbhi̯os: ner, potis, ou̯i̯om-r̥ u̯l̥̄nām sebhi gu̯hermóm u̯estrom ku̯r̥neuti". Ou̯i̯om-ku̯e u̯l̥̄nā ne esti. Tod kékluu̯os ou̯is agrom bhugét.

[Reek]

Saying shit like that is how you end up summoning pazuzu

[CUvox]

Originally Posted by Reek

Saying shit like that is how you end up summoning pazuzu

WTF? Latin-Greek looking language is total opposite!

[Styx]

Just when I thought it was dying down....

I wish there was a star trek episode where Kirk shouts "Buckle up boys, we're going Trojan"

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

Anyway, this thread gave me some groovy track titles ideas and I shall be using them for a new hip-hop album.

Tracks #:

1. Blasphemous Intent
2. God's Denial Of Tall Buildings
3. An Older Kid Would Understand
4. There Is No Scam Like W And Y
5. SMALL LETTER STIGMA
6. Confounded State Is Not To Be Honoured

What do you guys think?

OMG, they're perfect
I thought you would just generally agree with the guy, but your answers are better than anything I could've hoped for

Originally Posted by Reek

Pretty cool to think that I stood where the garden of eden once was

I do hope I'll get to go there one day (Jerusalem, not the garden).

Originally Posted by SpaceGuitarist

Free software is a tiny bit important for people's freedom in an ever-evolving ever-growing digital era, y'know?

YES, OMG, SO MUCH !

Frankly, I kinda pride myself being fluent in three languages and studying two others, everyone suddenly speaking the same way would sadden me a little. Also, since languages reflect the way of thinking of large groups of humans, it would mean culture has also been unified

The myth of Babel is too often misunderstood as a simple punishment from God, and the ego of humans.
Babylon was the first city. The fundamental difference between cities and villages isn't just the number of people. A city is a conglomerate of people who come from different places, have different backgrounds, different cultures, different languages. Yet they manage to work together and build huge towers despite that.


Anyway, sorry CUvox, but you rub me in every wrong way

Originally Posted by Contrapoints

I’m simply an alternative pan-European ethno-nationalist identitarian. With some socialist leanings.

[CUvox]

Originally Posted by Polaris

The myth of Babel is too often misunderstood as a simple punishment from God, and the ego of humans.
Babylon was the first city. The fundamental difference between cities and villages isn't just the number of people. A city is a conglomerate of people who come from different places, have different backgrounds, different cultures, different languages. Yet they manage to work together and build huge towers despite that.

Such bad assumptions arise when someone prefers false Zecharia Sitchin over true Anna Katharina Emmerick visions which inspired Passion movie.