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Old 2003-03-19, 09:02
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Oh,sure, it's not only about oil.
But what will bush do when he wins this war? will he TAKE all of their oil? will he take control over all derricks in Iraq? I think he will.
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Old 2003-03-19, 12:00
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Old 2003-03-19, 12:03
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Oh,sure, it's not only about oil.
But what will bush do when he wins this war? will he TAKE all of their oil? will he take control over all derricks in Iraq? I think he will.
Yes, they will.
But (he claims) all the money will be used for the re-development of Iraq.
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Old 2003-03-19, 16:22
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Fuck DF, are you pro war?!?!
Sadam housain did nothing, bush is a trigger happy fuck up that picked a fight with iraq and little tony blair crawled right up bushs hill billy ass for the ride. Why are we fighting with iraq when there are hundreds of innocent palestineans being needlessly massacred that need our help?
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Old 2003-03-19, 17:05
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War is justified if it reduces the suffering of people overall.
We wont know the answere to that for awhile.
is it really? it amounts to killing one set of people, or causing suffering to them, to reduce the suffering of another set. i don't think anyone's really got some god-like right to decide things like that. it's just as evil to cause suffering to anyone, ever, whether or not they think it's justified. (same thing with the death penalty.)
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Old 2003-03-19, 17:09
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Sadam housain did nothing
that's not true...

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bush is a trigger happy fuck up that picked a fight with iraq
that's an exaggeration...

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Why are we fighting with iraq when there are hundreds of innocent palestineans being needlessly massacred that need our help?
that's an oversimplification...


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little tony blair crawled right up bushs hill billy ass for the ride.
but that bit was true. if war comes to britain, blair deserves to be the first victim. go lib dem
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Yes, they will.
But (he claims) all the money will be used for the re-development of Iraq.

Yes, he did say that. But you'll have to excuse me for 'ing
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is it really? it amounts to killing one set of people, or causing suffering to them, to reduce the suffering of another set. i don't think anyone's really got some god-like right to decide things like that. it's just as evil to cause suffering to anyone, ever, whether or not they think it's justified. (same thing with the death penalty.)
Its just as wrong to kill someone THOUGH INACTION.

If someone was about to get run over by a car, and you could warn them, but choose not to, then your as good as a murderer.

Sure, its not a nice choice, but sometimes you have to choose the path that cause's the LEAST harm.

If saddam was 100% certain going to kill 1 million people tommorow, then killing a thousand to prevent him would be perfectly moral.
Because your not truely killing a thousand.
Your SAVING 1 million - 1 thousand.


Standing by and letting people die is just as bad, especialy thinking its ok because your not the one pulling the trigger.
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Old 2003-03-19, 20:58
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If saddam was 100% certain going to kill 1 million people tommorow, then killing a thousand to prevent him would be perfectly moral.
Because your not truely killing a thousand.
Your SAVING 1 million - 1 thousand.

not sure i agree. people aren't just numbers. allowing people to die through inaction is not the same as killing 1 thousand to save 1 million.
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I got this SMS earlier today:

Boycott all US products the day they attack Iraq without UN approval. Join us and send this message to 10 friends globaly.

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Old 2003-03-19, 22:03
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I think the sandstorm in the desert is keeping the US forces from attacking Iraq. Just saw it on the news.

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Old 2003-03-19, 23:16
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I got this SMS earlier today:

Boycott all US products the day they attack Iraq without UN approval. Join us and send this message to 10 friends globaly.

Did anyone else get this?
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If someone was about to get run over by a car, and you could warn them, but choose not to, then your as good as a murderer.
that's true, but telling someone they were about to get run over doesn't come at a cost. war sure as hell does, in every aspect, too. i think you're oversimplifying it. but you do have a point when you say that it is protecting others. i still think killing is wrong, and just because someone is 'pro-war' does NOT mean that they want people to die, so i see from where you state your arguments, and they are correct.
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Old 2003-03-20, 00:06
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This war is Saddam's fault. He has commited thousands of war crimes, and dictated (ruthlessly) a country. Even the Iraqi's here in the UK want war on him. I still stand by my thought that civilians won't die. Only time will tell....
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Hmm, this reminds me of Bush Senior being accused of warcrimes by Belgium (they've got their law system that way that any international crime can be judged there)
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This war is Saddam's fault. He has commited thousands of war crimes, and dictated (ruthlessly) a country. Even the Iraqi's here in the UK want war on him. I still stand by my thought that civilians won't die. Only time will tell....

Ofcourse civilians will die, saddam told them to fight to the death.
And besides Bush is out to take over an entire country, when was the last time a country was taken over with civilians dying?
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There is just one really simple formule that will tell if civilians die:

If "Airplane attack" then "Civilians die" else "smart war"

how funny it looks like, it's the truth. In land combat there is a much slimmer chance on civilian casualties then through air combat. But the thing is that's it not as fast and less dangerous then airattacks

Appearantly the value of an american soldier outweights that of innocent people.
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Beguinning of the war

The war has beguinning last night, Bagdad was the first target.
I heard that the war could be long...
Stupid war...
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With all hope, the war will be over quickly as with as few civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure as possible.

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Yup, they have bombarded a bunker, with saddam and his sons as the target. They didn't expect him to be there, though..
And he wasn't.

I can only hope there won't be much fighting
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I've been against this war from the start of course. However. Now it's started - I'm still not in favour, but I reluctantly acknowledge that there's nothing that will stop it.

Given that, I hope as many people as possible come back alive, and that this leads to a better life for ordinary Iraqis.

I was actually up and listening to the world service when the first attack started..
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*The authority of the ONU is now badly hurt
*The western countries are now more again criticised by the islamic countries (although Saddam's state used to attack a lot the islam believers)
*Lots of innocent civils will die, by not even knowing for why
*Saddam and his friends will have no problems to escape, as did Bin Laden and co in the previous war.

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These things are all true it must be said - and they're amongst the reasons I've always been against this war.

I feel no qualms about continuing to cast a critical eye on the war - mindless patriotism is a dreadful, and to my mind very hazardous thing.

Not to mention continuing concerning parallels with events leading to WWII..

Despite this - I have to say that it would be wrong to not hope for some good to come of this - I'm aware of the fact that there's a big faction on the left who actually want the West to fail in this, which I sincerely doubt will happen, even if they don't actually kill Saddam. Must say, not one of them. I've never disagreed with the fact that Hussain is not a good person, and is not good for the people of Iraq.

On the UN - hopefully we'll see a degree of reconcilliation amongst the major players in the effort to supply aid to the victims of the war. Not sure that will happen, but like I said ... One must always hope.
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