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Old 2001-06-24, 21:15
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As not many of you know (well actually only Atresica knows), I've been doin' this kind of an experement, involving CB (not what you think)

I was trying to prove some friends of mine that people always follow charismatic people, even if they believe what they're doing is wrong. IT happened in 1930's (yes, Atresica, it DID start in the 30's) with Nazi Germany, when millions of citizens cooperated with Hitler against the Jews even though they had many Jewish friends, and it's happenning, at a much much lower scale, in this forum. I don't mean to compare between the two, but the concept is just the same. When a guy starts makin' fun of someone, people will make fun of him too because they wanna be as funny as him. That guy basically tells them - "make jokes of that other dude, and u'll be funny as I am". And when a dude wants to exterminate 6 million people, he needs to blame all the problems of the world on them, and so people will follow him. That dude basically tells them - "kill these other dudes, and all your problems will go away". So they do. All you need in order to get millions of people's agreement on you killing 6 million people, is have lots of charisma, and promise them that killing those guys will bring them peace. And all you need in order to divert about 20 forum guyz into making lotso threads against a 12 years old kid, is to have a good sense of humor and make people want to make the same jokes.
What I didn't expect was for CB to ignore these threads... However, he didn't completely ignore it, and asked for people's forgivness for spamming the forum, which was really kinda sad.

Anywayz, I decided I'll stop this small "experiment" once someone finally says something against flaming CB (Jesse). So far he and Atresica were the only ones who had the sense to come out against it.

And I know u're gonna post stuff like "wtf r u talking about", but, well, mayb i just didn't explain this experement good enough... Hard to explain stuff through forums... If you got anything u didn't udnerstand, well jsut tell me
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Old 2001-06-24, 21:24
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you're such a bastard then, aren't u? do u imagine how hard this must have been for poor cb? i never made fun of him, because i know hard it is for him. you can't imagine the feeling of rejection, man. what u' ve done is really pityful.

shame on you, tsk tsk...
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Old 2001-06-24, 21:25
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Hmmm... nope, i don´t believe it. You don´t insulted CB for a experiment, this was for FUN!
Admit. This type of political-correct threads don´t convice me...
This go against all my anarchyst, communist, socialist and such ideals. I think it will be better if you say the true...
You are cruel, not evil, that is difference.
You have a los of simmilar things with Hitler... you lie and such... and you insulted a guy because he doesn´t know how to write! Is the same of insult a black man because of his color! YOU should be banned. This is terrible.
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Old 2001-06-24, 22:12
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Yes I think this was a valuable lesson. But what was it good for? CB would not like it. And people who all followed ET can feel ashamed if they did it just to be cool. (IF)

But it is over now, and this was not a good idea. It does not realy aproove this forum.
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Old 2001-06-24, 22:15
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I Don't think it was in place , to post this thread.
Um, if it was really an experiment ( i have no reason not to believe you) and you got your reasults, just be happy with them and don't go and tell things about that experiment in the forum.

I Know you don't want to compare the two but it's inevitable.
To make the ppl of the forum even think for a little second they were part of a so called 'Mini nazi death machine' is just wrong.

For me, it's a very sad subject even to think off.
Next time keep the results for yourself and/or for the one you were cooparating with and don't let me know about it.

Sorry, but it really wasn't nessecery.

Ofcourse i have said some things too, i have no problem to admit it...but i've seen posts about cb even a long time before i have joined the forum...why is the so long abusing???

But now i understand why Atre was so authoritative all of a sudden hehe
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I do think this is even worse. If you insulted him "for an experiment", you know you're actually insulting somebody, hurting him. If you say to somebody that he's an idiot, well, that can happen, if you're angry and you can't hold it up.

A message board is not the right place to do experiments, Evil-Twinsen. Actually I never thought you would do something like this. I saw that you insulted CB, so I just watched you and if you would have did it again, I would have said something about it I think.

Sure, I'm feeling sorry I didn't said anything about it back then. And now what. Has your experiment failed? Or is this a way to tell that Atresica and Jesse are the only good moderators? (NO, I'm not jealous!) Atresica and Jesse were the only ones who said something about it, but only very few people (if any) really followed you insulting CB.

I think I'll never really understand some strange ways how you behave.

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ps - it would be nice if you made things up with CB.
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Old 2001-06-24, 22:25
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Let El muerte step up now.

Besides, again this is placed in the general forum. Has this got anything to do with lba?
In my books not, in Lightwings book it is.

Well then since El said I could move this kind of threads to oftopic or whereever it belongs I think it is best to put this in the forum-forum. Since ET is doing this experiment at the forum.

But this time it is important and this time I will let it here because all members should see this thread.

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Ok I'm pissed.
E-T, you just violated one of the forum's and one of mine very important rules. I don't like this kind of behaviour, I have hate it when people behave like that.

Because of this action I will limit your access to the forum to only the off-topic forum, for at least a month. If you have proven to have learned something you will get everything back.
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Old 2001-06-24, 23:22
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Hmmm
What can I say
I do not understand that so many people of you are mad all the sudden.


I do not completly agree with E-T's reason to do this but everyone sees the result

I know who of you did tease CB and who didn't, and I've seen posts of people who did it, in this tread saying it was untastefull of E-T while they have no reason to say they are innocent.
They know against who I'm talking about and I can only say one thing to thise people: You're pathatic, if you really minded about E-T's behaviour against CB you said something, but you didn't and that makes you twice as worse as E-T.

For the rest, I agree it wasn't really suiteble of E-T doing this, but you see he was right...
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Old 2001-06-24, 23:39
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Yes I am suprised by that too. I know I made a bit fun out of him but I do not think it was that bad. When I asked to stop it ET went on with it.

That's not a problem.
But I do agree with atre's opinion.

I mean when you flame CB because he can't write english is possible to a certain limit. But just flaming him for your own amusement (or whatever you call it) is just bad.

Ofcourse he could know this would happen. If one guy does something other people will follow.

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Hmmm
What can I say
I do not understand that so many people of you are mad all the sudden.


I do not completly agree with E-T's reason to do this but everyone sees the result

I know who of you did tease CB and who didn't, and I've seen posts of people who did it, in this tread saying it was untastefull of E-T while they have no reason to say they are innocent.
They know against who I'm talking about and I can only say one thing to thise people: You're pathatic, if you really minded about E-T's behaviour against CB you said something, but you didn't and that makes you twice as worse as E-T.

For the rest, I agree it wasn't really suiteble of E-T doing this, but you see he was right...
i posted messages against CB, but that wasn´t for make me "cool". And wasn´t for offend him. I had the idea and thought it was funny, and in true was more for revenge than for fun, because CB did somethings against me in the past (and i posted something about ACB before Evil-Twisen return). But i stoped it and tried to help him; and he asked for sorry. Today we´re friends. But what ET made was CRUELTY. He reminds me one of those scientists who tested biological weapons in the people...
I started with some messages against ET before this too. So, your post is almost uselless, cause i don´t remember of V2 making fun of him... so, the last is Jesse. ET is completly incorrect; put yourself in the place of CB and try to imagine.
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Old 2001-06-24, 23:50
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Heir, I think you're taking this too far

I clearly said I had it against the people who were being a hypocrit
I can't do anything about the fact you think you're also one of them
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i don´t think this..
i think that you was talking about me and i defended myself.
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Old 2001-06-25, 00:02
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Hm but you insulted CB to because he cannot write, I did that too. I do not care about that. It is very normal to make light jokes about someone when you get the feeling he is not very smart. He also made himself unpopulair by his attitude wich was almost as bad as ET's atitude. It was the desision to make flame a guy just for investment that crossed the line. Come one do not play mister innocent because you never called him an idiot as far as I know and you stopped the insults when I asked. You never did something wrong in my opinion. But saying ET is cruel just because he made fun out of cb is just unacceptable since you and I and everybody did that. And that is not bad. When someone writes bad english, has a kingsize atitude and feels like to be the boss (hey, damn I see myself in here lol j/k) and is insulting towards other members (forgotten the name of the member) and just never understands someone's post and is irritating other people, you can make fun of him untill it becomes to serieus (and ET crossed that line).
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Old 2001-06-25, 00:07
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<You have a los of simmilar things with Hitler... you lie and such... and you insulted a guy because he doesn´t know how to write! Is the same of insult a black man because of his color! YOU should be banned. This is terrible.>


You the heir said this. come on. I cannot stand this kind of .... shit.
You, me, we insulted him and I think that is pretty normal considering the popularity he has gotten HIMSELF (BY HIS ATITUDE).

It was the whole test itself what I think it is sick.
I understand it, and I know he is 100% true in his test (the result is clear). But it was just bad to do it.





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Hi ET. I think you've explained you experement well enough. But I feel like saying, it didn't work quite as well as you've written. I for one have made jests toward CB in the past week or so. However... it had nothing to do with your "charisma".

Don't you think it is just slightly egotistical to beleive that everyone followed you? For what reason would any of the people concerned have posted messages in order to aspire to a name on a screen? Perhaps I'm just speaking for myself, but I doubt it.

One thing in your defense perhaps, is that most of the flaming wouldn't have taken place without some of the threads and conversations started by you. There again... that's how a forum works. For example... would anyone here have just burst into conversation about my troubles with making LBA2 run, of their own accourd? No, they talked about it because I brought it to their attention with my thread.

Now when you think about it, your comparison with Nazi Germany is an extremely weak one. Hitler did not simply say with charisma "Kill the all the Jews and we'll all live happily ever after." A succession of events and tactics lead Hitler and the Nazi party to a position in which they were able to use the SS and Gestapo to scare people into following. So, essentially, the ideology on which you've based this experiment is flawed.

I still like you because you've been a good guy to talk to but I think that what you're saying in this post is lame.

Atres - I read the post in which you defended CB. In the same post you also wrote about how you wished you could join in, but couldn't since you were a mod (or something similar). You defended CB(the right thing to do of course) but I don't think you can take the moral highground in such a way.
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Old 2001-06-25, 00:31
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<You have a los of simmilar things with Hitler... you lie and such... and you insulted a guy because he doesn´t know how to write! Is the same of insult a black man because of his color! YOU should be banned. This is terrible.>
You the heir said this. come on. I cannot stand this kind of .... shit.
You, me, we insulted him and I think that is pretty normal considering the popularity he has gotten HIMSELF (BY HIS ATITUDE).
It was the whole test itself what I think it is sick.
I understand it, and I know he is 100% true in his test (the result is clear). But it was just bad to do it.
i already explained my motives... my objective wasn´t follow ET.
This was not a test... why he would make this type of test? For what he would use the results? For nothing. It´s useless.
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Hehehe funny you mention it

It was not really as "I want to join aswell"
It was more like eveybody was against him and I was the only one standing before him. It's not always nice to be that singel person and that's why the reply (Jesse was there also but now I'm talking about that singel moment

Ofcource you can consider this as crap and hypocrititical and I don't blame you for it but still I hope you well... it sounds stupid...believe me.

Don't you think it is just slightly egotistical to beleive that everyone followed you? For what reason would any of the people concerned have posted messages in order to aspire to a name on a screen? Perhaps I'm just speaking for myself, but I doubt it.


I think it was more triggered by the fact that some one did it. So other people thougt "If he's (any person) doing it it can't be bad" and did it aswell.

The biggest problem was that CB was an easy target, he already did some things on the board that weren't really....polite, which already made it easier for people to cross that singel border....

For the rest I agree for a great part with Jesse
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Unbelievable

Guyz, I'm learning Sociology and History in a special unit in my school.
We focus on people's reactions to social events (it sounds better in Hebrew)

I just thought you might wanna know that every fucking reply to this thread fits EXACTLY to the form of the average social group. There are a few "chain-reactions" that can be completely predicted in every culture or group of people.
For example, we studied about ONE event in Poland, once, and we had to predict what the social events followed by that event will be... That's basically what we do, and my assignment was to try one event (I chose social-ban, cause that's the subject I usually like focusing on) in a forum in the internet, because usually people get hurt less or not at all in internet forums (luckily CB wasn't hurt at all).
And, well, it worked great.
I started a chain reaction first time I started laughing at CB. I picked him because I saw some people already didn't like him too much, so I thought he'd be an easy catch. Besides, his English was quite a thing to laugh at (no offence).
After that people started laughing at CB, and not just small comments about him, but real long threads.
At that point I assumed El will interfear, but he didn't... So I had to take it a little further than that, and then I started that killing thread... That didn't work too so I thought I'll just write "CB you're an idiot" or something like that, and that did the trick because it wasn't funny, something I should've thought of earlier... Just lose my charm and be an idiot. Once I became an idiot who just curses someone, Jesse jumped in, and that was, as I said, waht I was waiting for. Phase 3 - what we call in our class - "God-like Interference". The holy saint comes to defend the powers of justice, all that. Once everybody in this forum sees that somoene dared to speak against the "events-leader" (AKA me), they all gather around and say stuff like "I don't think it was in place", "you're such a bastard", "shame on you, tzk tzk". The very same guyz who just recently cracked up reading all the jokes, are now teaching the events-leader some valuable lessons, since it seems like "the law" does not aproove with his jokes.
Just goes to show you how horrible is the life of a Jester.

And to the final phase - "social ban". Jesse then called "the big chief", El, who gave the punishment to the Jester. And thus ends the great loop of social events we like to call "The Jester Syndrome" (Yea we have a lot of nicknames for stuff)
The Jester swifts peopel with him towards social ban of one of the people in the forum/country ==> The Jester "loses his touch" (what didn't happen to Hitler, btw) ==> People no longer needs him because he is no longer funny ==> "The law" interfears and takes bannes the Jester away.

This does not come to show that the Jester is not to blame, not at all. He is very much to blame, but so are the people who didn't try to stop him and played along. You know who you are.

Thank you for this great experimental year, it's been a great fun. And if you have some sense in your heads, I bet you'd rather try think where you went wrong than blame the Jester.
And you don't need to ban me, El, cause I'm not gonna attend the forum anymore. I don't think someone who revealed people here for what they are can be welcomed. Just another thing history's taught us

Hoping any of you got anything from this,
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Old 2001-06-25, 00:39
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what you did with CB was cruelty and unhuman...
i think your ego is almost jumping and killing people.
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Old 2001-06-25, 00:43
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And another thing

Those of you who said I was experimenting on CB

If at any point CB would've said anything about this whole thing I would've stopped this
It wasn't supposed to go on for so long, but frankly, he just didn't understand what we were writing...

And besides, I think me, you, and esspecially CB can learn a lot from these events... It's kinda too bad he doesn't understand what we're writing... And I'm not making another crack, but this is true... Let's just say this is a freak incident, usually it isn't like that. Usually "the CB" is supposed to cooperate with "the ET"... But here it seemed he was kidna lbind to all that has happened so... No harm no foul in this case
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As you know I protect E-T right now and I wish to say this:

"For what he would use the results? For nothing. It´s useless. "

This was said by the Heir.
It is usefull
The only reason most people now hate him is because the are confronted with their real "Me"
The Me that just goes with the mob without questioning.
I hope for those who did made fun out of CB will do something about themself so that they are not going with the mob but have an oppinion of their own.
It's better you're now being confronted with that fact then when you do it over 10 years, it will be 10 times as worse than now...

I'm saying this to the one's who did it, if you feel that this post is about you and think I'm a total bitch now becuase its not true than it's your problem

Oh yeah, I do not protect E-T because he has charmed me or something but because I have good connections with him and I protect anyone with who I have good connections with or find prtecting.
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Ugh, I gotta make another reply...

About "my charisma"

when you say "your" charisma who are you reffering to?
Evil-Twinsen?
Evyatar Halimi?
The people I talked with about this experiment?

When I said I used "charisma" I wasn't flattering myself...
I was acting
It was all an act
I dunno if I'm that charismatic in real life
I was just playing the role of a charismatic guy
Just like many actors who play charismatic people are not really charismatic in real life
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wow! you really think that i hate ET and think you are a bitch? Come on, i would kill me if i was like this. I love all the people of the world, because i believe that they are all the same; and if i don´t agree with someone´s opinion that doesn´t means that i hate him. Nope, i don´t have a conflict with Me. I thought you was talking about me because
1. V2 didn´t make fun of him
2. I didn´t see Jesse making
So, i was the unique that did this. Don´t insult me by saying that i hate people or something.
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