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Old 2012-01-23, 21:54
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Quick, ALL aboard the deep net! Can't touch us there.


@Fishos: Nice summary, thx for posting!
I never thought those would ever end, specially so fast.
Oh well, we'll tell our kids about the good old days... :'(
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Old 2012-01-23, 22:13
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I wasn't actually aware of any FBI raid, thanks for the update! The thing is that this is like trying to kill a weed - chop one down and a million more alternatives pop up in its place! We saw this when they tried to shut down various sites which provide links for tv shows, like TV shack, and the sites in question moved servers or people just gravitated to other ones.
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Old 2012-01-23, 23:18
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Is it already decided if SOPA/PIPA is voted or not ?

If it isn't, why are all these sites closing ?
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Old 2012-01-23, 23:50
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Looks like SOPA and PIPA law proposals have just been officially cancelled. This proposal only worked against them, so that's a good thing. It made the masses of people aware of what they're actually doing. They will have a hard time trying to recover from that one. Now that the snowball started rolling, maybe it won't stop until they are entirely defeated.
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Old 2012-01-23, 23:57
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Are you sure? Last I heard it was more "indefinite hold"

Theres also still the OPEN act which covers IP stuff, but thats less scary. (for one thing your innocent till proven guilty, unlike the others)
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Old 2012-01-24, 00:11
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Oh, right... looks like it's on hold. Looks like they're trying another angle now, "protect children from pornography" or something. Trying to pose anyone who rejects them as monsters.
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Old 2012-01-24, 00:27
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Yup.
Next they will try the terrorism angle.
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Old 2012-01-24, 03:31
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the boureau should focus on more serious stuff if you ask me. They might be able to close some sites offering direct download, but close down torrents? That's another thing. Piracy can't be fought, it's a battle they already lost. And is that the most noble cause they can focus on? Nobody dies of piracy, and piracy doesn't involve poor people at all. Moreover, piracy is not 100% wrong: Download something illegal doesn't mean that I'm not going to buy it legally after I saw it's worth it. They decided to start this war for money and terror, but there's also people making money from piracy (and THAT is wrong too): these people will never let them win. There again, money decides the fate of the whole world, including the internet.
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Old 2012-01-24, 04:04
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Piracy is not wrong. And I don't like the word "piracy", pirates have nothing to do with it. Pirates were barbarians who killed people and stole their gold. How can you even compare them with people who absorb knowledge freely and share this knowledge with others?

Death to copyrights. And death to the monetary system. It was here for a long time, but it won't last for much longer... our world is changing fast, in case anyone overlooked it.
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Old 2012-01-24, 04:34
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"Piracy is stealing." No, it isn't. If I go into a shop and take a DVD without paying, that's stealing. If I download a movie, the movie is still there once I've downloaded it, it's just a copy. People can whine about how artists would get more income if people didn't download illegally, but there is no evidence that people who pirate would be any more likely to buy whatever it was they pirated than if they were unable to download it. Sometimes having pirated it and decided that it is worth the money makes them more likely to buy it.
It feels like people have decided that the internet is too big and free and they've created a monster which they are unable to rein back in. Like I said before, they want to apply their outdated business models to a system which they do not understand.
Oh, and the TV Shack guy is now liable to be extradited to the USA.
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Old 2012-01-24, 14:07
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"Piracy is stealing." If I go into a shop and take a DVD without paying, that's stealing. If I download a movie, the movie is still there once I've downloaded it, it's just a copy.
I get so fed up with both sides of this debate.

a) It depends on the situation far too much for a generic claim to be made.

b) The physicality of the disc or "taken" is utterly a non-issue. DVDs cost about 2p to make. The "atoms" arnt the thing with value, its the "bits", regardless of what contains them.

c) Its absolutely true that not all downloads would be sales anyway. Its also true that some of them might be. Again - no generic claim can be made.
The anti-piracy people make crazy claims that every download is a lost sale, but we shouldn't stoop to their level and claim none of them are lost sales either. Theres been practically no fair research on this so anyone making claims is just really guessing.

Looking at my shelf I can honestly say about half the stuff I wouldn't have bought if I didn't pirate it in some form first. On the other hand, however, I experienced (and enjoyed) about that same number again things without paying for them (at least, yet). On the third hand, I experienced a hell of a lot of things I would never pay for, and would like to have the time of my life spent experiencing them back. Am I the norm? Do people have different ratios?
Imho, we just dont know this stuff on mass.

d) This one gets me the most though; What does it mater what its called? We dont need ancient labels to decide if a modern act is good or bad.


Honestly, its like saying "picking something up is/isnt stealing". Sometimes picking something up might be stealing, but that doesn't mean every time it is. At the same time, it doesn't mean it never is either.


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Piracy is not wrong. And I don't like the word "piracy", pirates have nothing to do with it. Pirates were barbarians who killed people and stole their gold. How can you even compare them with people who absorb knowledge freely and share this knowledge with others?
This I certainly agree with though.
"theft" at least can be a trivial thing...stealing an Apple.
But "piracy" is a hugely hyperbolic association that not only makes the potential crime seem far far worse then it is, but trivialize real piracy. (although, admittedly, our media does that anyway....ditto for Vikings. Fictional funny hats suddenly make "rape and pillage" seem fun).
I get equally annoyed when people say a film "rapes their childhood". Honestly, "rape"? Really? Your comparing a bad film to rape?
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I wish, as humans, we could discuss things without having to use poor analogies to things designed to be shortcuts to stronger emotions.

I could rant on all day about this stuff though
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Old 2012-01-24, 15:49
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Don't mind the term. I think it has been chosen because pirates mostly stole/steal luggage and sold/sell it illegally. People don't think of murder and sloughter when they hear the word "piracy" (I hope). What's important is what really is behind that term...

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."


In my opinion piracy is the only way a lot of people can share a common experience with the richest ones.
And I'm pretty sure that powerful companies wanted piracy at first. How many ps2 would have been sold if it couldn't be modified? How many psp's, how many xbox's? Who would buy a computer that can't download anything? How many digital ebook reader are there? Would they still sell so much if people wouldn't download ebooks? How many people would buy an iPod with only 40 or 100 songs to put on it?
(just for saying, I don't really approve piracy of books or music, as they're the cheapest in that list, but that's how things go in my opinion)
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Old 2012-01-24, 16:11
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c) Its absolutely true that not all downloads would be sales anyway. Its also true that some of them might be. Again - no generic claim can be made.
The anti-piracy people make crazy claims that every download is a lost sale, but we shouldn't stoop to their level and claim none of them are lost sales either. Theres been practically no fair research on this so anyone making claims is just really guessing.
That's what I'm saying, there's no way of knowing whether or not each download is a lost sale! I'm definitely not saying that no one who downloads would not have bought it legally otherwise. And the thing about "stealing" a DVD - that's a crime with a victim: the store that you stole it from. Downloading is much murkier as to who the victim is. How about if I took a DVD from a store, copied it, and gave it back?
I get annoyed at anti-piracy ads because they're now repeatedly telling me that "piracy funds terrorism," and I'm failing to see how.
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imagine what youtube would come if the bill would pass. Just homemade videos and movie trailers from bollywood.
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Vevo is the company that uploads music videos to youtube, I believe. I think Google themselves admitted that youtube would almost certainly disappear overnight if the bill passed.
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If that bill passed my movies would finally get interesting... Oh wait, like most other Youtubers I need music on my videos.... Damn!
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I know most of the users on MBN are european... I'm not. I live in Chicago and I think this whole SOPA/PIPA thing is bullsh*t. The US is always trying to take control of everything and its damn ridiculous. If there's a market for piracy then there's always going to be a consumer, whether that involves paying for the product or not. Like Mia said, its not as big a deal as people make it out to be. The whole thing is just dumb as hell. I hope us US memebers don't get banned from MBN. That would be terrible. I quite like it here and don't want this "stick up my ass" country ruining my fun and free will with its petty bs. I'm sure a lot of people agree with me.
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If SOPA passed, it wouldn't be just the us screwed its all of us - the us controls most of the woulds DNS servers. That means the domains gone for us all.
We could use a direct IP of course, but traffic would go down massively and all links would start failing.

Anyway, ACTAs the threat now, and thats international.
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I just wrote almost a book down here, but then i pressed the post button and realised that my session has ended.

Everything gone....

Well i'll just make a summary then:

I think that when this law will ever get passed it will ruine the entire internet forever. Politicains who have to decide about this now don't even have a clue about what is going on on the internet.

They are people who read there mails on a daily basis and upload familiy pictures to the family website. They don't know what is going on on the internet. But the sad part is that they have to decide about laws like this. When i see the american news and hear how politicains call experts "nerds" i can't believe my ears.. what are they thinking?

I think real experts should think about this and this should be done worldwide. It cannot be done by one country, internet is worldwide and the borders don't end anywhere. The whole industry really has to change, it's 2012 now and when it's just easier to download a illigal copy of a e-book instead of buying it legal and have to install all kinds of DRM applications and a strange reader to read it with (instead of your favorite one) then something is really wrong. When you can't play your legal (singleplayer) game when the developer's servers are down (or lack of internet connection) then something is really wrong too.

They act like piracy itselfs comes from the internet. That is totally wrong, when i was young i taped my favorite music with a casette deck and gave it to friends damn i was a little pirate! Then internet came along and i used napster. (HA-HA i exacly became a metallica fan because i found there music on Napster). I bought LBA because i played a twilight version first and liked the game that much that later i bought the first part too. And now because i like the game still that much i bought it on GOG.com AGAIN! I bought in on my ps1 even trough i like the pc version more. I also bought time commando LEGALLY... AGAIN just recently.

They act like the industry would have sold all these downloaded albums retail if they weren't on the internet. That is totally not true, and i can't believe the industry makes calculations like that to prove that internet piracy is wrong! That they come up with huge sums of money that one person should have causes by uploaded a few songs. They forget that the illigal (pirated) way is also a great way to get to know a game or a music album. If you never found it on the net, you would not have known it in the first place.

It really makes me sad when i hear that one person should go to jail for 50 years for uploading some songs. This is much longer then someone who raped and murdered another person. This is a great example how wrong laws about piracy are.

Great you want to protect someones work but SOPA isn't the way it should be done.
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Who went to jail for 50 years for uploading some songs? More about that one please.

Btw this is relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY
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Who went to jail for 50 years for uploading some songs? More about that one please.

Btw this is relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY
I've read it a about two weeks ago. It was a demand against this person. I am not quite sure but i believe it was the guy behind megaupload.com

(A lot on the news right now, will try to find the newsitem where it was in, but it will be in dutch).

But it was a demand based on the damage he has done to the music and movie industry. (500 million dollars) I believe his trial is still going.
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If SOPA passed, it wouldn't be just the us screwed its all of us - the us controls most of the woulds DNS servers. That means the domains gone for us all.
We could use a direct IP of course, but traffic would go down massively and all links would start failing.

Anyway, ACTAs the threat now, and thats international.
That's what's I'm saying. The US is so full of bull, that they try to control what other countries do. I swear its like if the US thinks its bad then EVERYONE should think the same thing so lets just fix the problem for everybody. We pass a law over here and the the whole worlds gets screwed. There's so many laws over here that give people no free will at all.
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