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Old 2006-10-18, 04:13
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The Ground

The Ground

You glare at the top of a building,
A building that touches Heaven
Its windows capture the passing clouds
The sky glides along its surface

You hate the smog that surrounds you
The withered trees that smother you
The throbbing maggots that feed on you
The witless crows that deafen you

You glare at the top of that building
The building touching Heaven
Its body holds every secret
Each season is recorded on its skin

There you’ll escape the fog that strangles you
The weeds that entangle you
The bulging vultures feasting on you
The ground that always holds you.
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Old 2006-10-18, 12:32
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Old 2006-10-18, 13:56
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It's at the end, the end, dear sir!
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Old 2006-10-18, 18:51
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:10
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There is, it's just after that full stop following "you".

Watch out for that guy, he followed me and stole my racoon.

He's a mean bean.
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:25
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There is no end. The oppostie of "Is" is "Not Is", and if something "is not" then it isn't, so there is only "is", when you think about the "end" or "nothingness" it stops being "nothingness" (wich isn't) and starts being somehting (wich is), so the existence of an "end" is illogical, something that is the end of existence must be nothingness, but nothingness does not exist so there is no end - "Is" is constant, everything "Is".
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:43
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There is no end. The oppostie of "Is" is "Not Is", and if something "is not" then it isn't, so there is only "is", when you think about the "end" or "nothingness" it stops being "nothingness" (wich isn't) and starts being somehting (wich is), so the existence of an "end" is illogical, something that is the end of existence must be nothingness, but nothingness does not exist so there is no end - "Is" is constant, everything "Is".
I wrote quite a bit of text about this very subject, but it's in German. Shall I translate it for you?
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:47
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:54
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I've never been so humiliated in my life.

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Old 2006-10-18, 21:51
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:43
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Ok, you've asked for it.

Sein oder nicht sein


Wenn man nicht wäre, könnte man dann trotzdem sein? Ist Nichtsein mit dem Tod verbunden? Diese und andere Fragen behandelt dieser Text.

"Sein oder nicht sein", das ist hier die Frage. Aber die Frage könnte keine Frage sein, wenn sie nicht wäre. Da das Sein im engen Bezug auf das Nichtsein steht, lautet die Frage eigentlich: "Frage oder nicht Frage". Und da das eine Frage ist, lautet die Antwort definitiv: "Ja, eine Frage!"

Dies lässt sich damit begründen, dass die Frage ja keine Frage sein könnte, wenn man auf die Frage die Antwort "Nein, keine Frage!" bekommt, was bedeutet, dass es keine Frage gibt, also ist die Antwort auf die Frage "Sein oder nicht sein" ganz einfach "Sein!"

"Wenn man nicht wäre, könnte man dann trotzdem sein?". Dazu lässt sich nur ausdrücken, das man nicht sein kann, wenn man nicht ist, also wäre man danach auch nicht gebunden an das Sein. Wenn man die Frage aber aus der Sicht des Nichtseins betrachtet, das ja nichts ist, aber trotzdem etwas, nämlich das Nichtsein, so ist es etwas, obwohl es nichts ist. Folglich kann man sein, auch wenn man nicht ist.

"Ist Nichtsein mit dem Tod verbunden?". Da wir bereits besprochen haben, das man nie nichts sein kann, weil man da auf jeden Fall noch etwas ist, nämlich nichts, kann man nie nichts sein. Das bedeutet aber nicht, das man nicht tot sein kann, weil man beim Tod ja auch etwas ist, nämlich tot, ist man wieder etwas, und man kann immer etwas sein!

"Aber wie kann man dann sterben?". Das Sein ist immer veränderlich. Zum Beispiel waren Sie heute morgen noch unausgeschlafen, jetzt schon wach, so sind Sie nicht mehr unausgeschlafen, was aber noch immer nicht heißt, dass Sie nichts sind, weil Sie ja jetzt wach sind. Genauso verändert sich Ihr Sein irgendwann in den Tod, aber das heißt nicht, das Sie nichts sind, denn Sie sind immer noch tot.

"In welchem Verhältnis stehen dann Sein und Nichtsein zueinander?". Sie stehen gar nicht zueinander, weil es kein Nichtsein gibt.

"Aber Sie haben doch das Sein und Nichtsein mit einer Gegenüberstellung erklärt!". Ja, denn man kann alles gegenüberstellen, auch wenn es nichts ist, und Nichtsein ist bekanntlich ja eh nicht nichts, weil es das Nichtsein ist. Also ist man immer irgendetwas, worüber man froh sein kann!

Sehen Sie? Wir sind schon wieder etwas, nämlich froh! Und das sollten wir auch bleiben, denn man kann nie nichts sein!

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Now who works this out?
Translation in progress...
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:47
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How I dislike that language... (mainly becouse of all my German teachers...).
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:59
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How I dislike that language... (mainly becouse of all my German teachers...).
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Old 2006-10-19, 00:18
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Awesome! German is freaky.
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Old 2006-10-19, 00:23
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Freaky dicky German...

dick means penis not FAT! you freakish ppl!
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Old 2006-10-19, 19:14
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It wouldn't be easier to understand if it was English. It's highly philosophical and formal. The average German doesn't understand it.
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So basically, it's impossible not to be anything.

Dutch is weirder than German. At least for English speakers to look at.
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Old 2006-10-20, 16:57
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Old 2006-10-20, 18:57
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Old 2006-10-21, 01:49
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More like it's impossible for things not to be, becouse what is the opposite of being? Not being, and not being does not exist.
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