Anakin -- Ban Lifted

[morshem]

This was written after we found out he's a sock puppet.

To clarify things, we first knew for 100% when "Dredg" reported some post, and we saw that his e-mail address happened to be Anakin's Yahoo!'s instant messaging address. That was at around 18:00 PM GMT+2 yesterday. Lightwing's post was written a couple of hours after that.

[Battler]

Originally Posted by Jasiek

Aaaand you just right now deleted a post of yours explaining your sockpuppet situation in the past...

Yes, I deleted it, even though I am going to explain it here. My only sock-puppets here were RussF-16 and El_Mexicana. All the other people are my friends, some even proven to be real people by Atresica herself. That's all.

[Jasiek]

Originally Posted by morshem

This was written after we found out he's a sock puppet.

To clarify things, we first knew for 100% when "Dredg" reported some post, and we saw that his e-mail address happened to be Anakin's Yahoo!'s instant messaging address. That was at around 18:00 PM GMT+2 yesterday. Lightwing's post was written a couple of hours after that.

And he still didn't recall his decision, but said "thanks"? Also you didn't really need a lot of proof to see it's Anakin, and I bet Lightwing had suspicions, and while having those suspicions he unbanned him? Clearly shows he didn't think it was such a big deal?

[morshem]

I don't know why he unbanned him.
And as I said, he probably wasn't suspicious.
And as I said, Anakin never served any ban period, although he was supposed to.

[LBAWinOwns]

Obras - Oh please, don't tell me that "Remember Talles" guy wasn't your sockpuppet...

[morshem]

Who's the "Remember Talles" guy?
Actually, didn't DedalousDiggle have such an avatar?

[Battler]

- LBAWinOwns: If he got Permanently Banned, then he is. Otherwise, he's not. And please, don't start a rage against me about that after 3 years. It's just not needed.

[Jasiek]

Undermining one mods decision is a very poor action, especially when it was Lightwing who banned him in the first place? It does look like a personal grudge. So I don't know, either when you are being very formal about the rules you should respect the other mods decision, or you loosen up, like you did by banning Anakin again in wich case it means the rules shouldnt' be as strict anymore? I see serious inconsequence.

[Double-J]

Originally Posted by Jasiek

Undermining one mods decision is a very poor action, especially when it was Lightwing who banned him in the first place?

True, there should be more communication and consensus. But by that same token - was it not "very poor action" for Lightwing to arbitrarily reinstate Anakin without getting a consensus from the rest of the mods?

[Jasiek]

Originally Posted by Double-J

True, there should be more communication and consensus. But by that same token - was it not "very poor action" for Lightwing to arbitrarily reinstate Anakin without getting a consensus from the rest of the mods?

Still he was the one who banned Anakin in the first place, shouldn't he get the decisive voice in this matter, especially as the rules imo leave place for interpretation?

Anyway Morshem should have contacted lightwing privately first, and if Lightwing would've been outvoted by the other mods, he should be the one posting the news? Otherwise like Gustav said, this does look like a personal grudge.

[morshem]

Why would it be personal if I wasn't involved with the reason Anakin was banned on the first place?
Anakin, under the disguise of "Dredg", pissed off many people. Me included, that's true, but not only me. So this is not "personal", this is "for the community's sake".

Lightwing said in the first post of this thread that Anakin seems to have learnt his lesson. I doubt that very much, seeing all of Dredg's behaviour, and Anakin "coming back" with smiles and stuff, as if nothing happened.

I just shortened the ban to one day. If Anakin keeps treating this forum like his own playground when he comes back, I'll recommend a much longer ban.

[Double-J]

Originally Posted by Jasiek

Still he was the one who banned Anakin in the first place, shouldn't he get the decisive voice in this matter, especially as the rules imo leave place for interpretation?

Isn't that the kind of unilateral decision making that you're criticizing Morshem for though? That he didn't consult with Lightwing before rebanning Anakin?

I mean, I understand your point, that since Lightwing banned Anakin, he has some sort of pseudo-claim on the case, but I don't know if that ultimately is fair anyways. The mods should work as a team in all matters, not as individuals, unless the matter is quite small and commonsense (i.e. a spambot).

When it comes to a case involving someone who is, as by Gustav's definition so long ago, an "MBN celebrity" (read: a long-tenured member who is well known throughout the forums), I would hope that the entire mod team would have a consensus for the best solution.

I don't think it can be had both ways. I, personally, feel that Morshem has the correct logic here. Anakin never really served his original penalty because he sockpuppeted. Since sockpuppeting in and of itself is against the rules, it should result in disciplinary action; compounding that fact is that Anakin "created" Dredg in order to circumvent previous moderator action.

Again, I see both sides, so please don't infer that I'm leaning one way or the other. I like Anakin very much since he first came on the scene here. But if we all want a forum with consistent, fair moderation, honest debate on these actions is the only course for improvement.

[the_angry_monkey]

I am with Double-J on this. I have nothing against Anakin but he never did the time which went with his ban (whether or not we agree with that). I think the mods have done a decent job in the circumstances

[Aule]

Aaah, i feel updated, now to the issues at hand!

Morshem, who are you to speak "for the community's sake", i know you are a mod, but didnt you become a mod under the term of not banning anyone. I mean, you have history of keeping up personal grudges, like a hyperlink to make people ignore certain members (cant bother finding the post now, but im sure you remember). So is it really your call to override LWs decition based on your own opinions and what you belive to be "for the community's sake".

About being "banned fo 4 days" because of his puppet, its not like he can sway opinions and be like a normal member when he has to take the shape of a new member, example.

Here we can clearly responses like:

Originally Posted by ChaosFish

Lightwing is a moderator, you're not. Thread closed, shut up. MBN is a dictatorship and it's fine that way.

While thank you mr. chaosfish, he really had the oppertunity to discuss stuff there didnt he?

And who can forget:

Originally Posted by LW

I know. I know. It's all so illogical. But then again, I am an EViL mod~

Nice going there mr moderator-man real professional.

And later, the smooth mr CF comes bach with a wooping:

Originally Posted by ChaosFish

Sorry to be blunt, but No One Owes You An Explanation.

This is a society, and some behaviors are not accepted. Not everything is spelled out in words. Use your brain.

Orly? who are you to decide whats acceptable or not, i mean you so cool with you fuck-the-system-like "god is dead" blundering.

and my personal favourite, mr Dino-fly himself:

Originally Posted by Dino-Fly

Dredg, you are a noob, yet you speak as if you were here before El.

I mean, your the real veteran here! Seriously, how can he forward his opinion when he gets that kind of crap from a guy who has been here 4 months.

Originally Posted by Dino-Fly

Is it my fault he's flaming me for my beliefs?

and

Originally Posted by Dino-Fly

You killing innocent babies because their parents are morons, and now, you spam it everywhere, because you are looking for a flame war, why else would you do it then, and now, you put it in your sig, and then you complain when I say you have a sick mind.

doesnt quite add up do they? You were flaming him, he just stated his opinion.

Now on to mr Obras, how can you state anything anyway, you got a 30day ban after more than a year of sock puppeting, spaming, general misbehaviour and so on. If we were to treat him like the mods treated you he would have got a popsicle and a note that says "you did a nono, but we dont care".

[LBAWinOwns]

Can you please make that post easier readable? With quotes instead of "Then CF said: "Blabla"".

[morshem]

Actually, OBrasilo's ban was shorten to 15 days because he apologized (should have been much longer though...).

[Double-J]

Originally Posted by Aule

Aaah, i feel updated, now to the issues at hand!

Morshem, who are you to speak "for the community's sake", i know you are a mod, but didnt you become a mod under the term of not banning anyone. I mean, you have history of keeping up personal grudges, like a hyperlink to make people ignore certain members (cant bother finding the post now, but im sure you remember). So is it really your call to override LWs decition based on your own opinions and what you belive to be "for the community's sake".

About being "banned fo 4 days" because of his puppet, its not like he can sway opinions and be like a normal member when he has to take the shape of a new member, example.

Here we can clearly responses like: "Lightwing is a moderator, you're not. Thread closed, shut up. MBN is a dictatorship and it's fine that way."

While thank you mr. chaosfish, he really had the oppertunity to discuss stuff there didnt he?

And who can forget: "I know. I know. It's all so illogical. But then again, I am an EViL mod~", Nice going there mr moderator-man real professional.

And later, the smooth mr CF comes bach with a wooping:

"Sorry to be blunt, but No One Owes You An Explanation.

This is a society, and some behaviors are not accepted. Not everything is spelled out in words. Use your brain."

Orly? who are you to decide whats acceptable or not, i mean you so cool with you fuck-the-system-like "god is dead" blundering.

and my personal favourite, mr Dino-fly himself: "Dredg, you are a noob, yet you speak as if you were here before El."

I mean, your the real veteran here! Seriously, how can he forward his opinion when he gets that kind of crap from a guy who has been here 4 months.

"Is it my fault he's flaming me for my beliefs?"

and

"You killing innocent babies because their parents are morons, and now, you spam it everywhere, because you are looking for a flame war, why else would you do it then, and now, you put it in your sig, and then you complain when I say you have a sick mind."

doesnt quite add up do they? You were flaming him, he just stated his opinion.

Now on to mr Obras, how can you state anything anyway, you got a 30day ban after more than a year of sock puppeting, spaming, general misbehaviour and so on. If we were to treat him like the mods treated you he would have got a popsicle and a note that says "you did a nono, but we dont care".

If I read all that correctly - and it was admittedly a bit hard to sift through - I think that you should read my moderating suggestion thread, because it sounds like the democratic solution would be right up your ally. ;p

[Battler]

- OBrasilo: Maybe I was only Banned for 15 days for that, but let me remind you, that I was flamed and mocked for over a year for that, and that I think is enough a punishment for the shit I did. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, they say. And so it was. Now I think it's time to let it go. Also, unlike Anakin, I actually contributed to this community, with my programs and other things as well, and that also played a factor in my punishment.

[Aule]

Actually, anakkin has been contributing for years, he is a valued memeber and i would rather have relaxed person like anakkin who can crack an "on the edge joke" than some raving lunatic which programs.

I edited my other post to make it more readable too, and yes DJ, i agree with your mod proposal.

About the falming, that doesnt constitute as a punnishment, if i call anakkin a fag, it doesnt mean his ban will be reduced.

[Battler]

- Aule: No problem with that. Just please, express your dislike politely, and all will be well.

[Lightwing]

Clarification people:
I unbanned Anakin without any knowledge that he was Dredg. I unbanned him for the reasons stated previously and only discovered that Anakin was sock puppeting AFTER the unban.

Just so you people know, Morshem's act was fully supported by Darkflame (an admin).

The 30 day ban (which Anakin never completed), was approved by El_Muerte.

All that Morshem has done is uphold the wishes of administrators and the forum rules. Anakin will STILL get about only 14 days, compared to 30 days he was meant to get, and the 30 days Obrasilo recieved when he did crap.

Originally Posted by Jasiek

And he still didn't recall his decision, but said "thanks"?

I said "thanks" because I thought you were making an overall comment about my decision that banning someone for 20 days had been enough. My saying of "thanks" was not in any way a commentary of the suckpuppeting.

Originally Posted by Aule

And who can forget:
Quote:Originally Posted by LW
"I know. I know. It's all so illogical. But then again, I am an EViL mod~"

That quote is taken out of context. You're giving people a wrong perception about what happened. A mod doesn't have to be completely, 100% professional. So I made a joke at the end, so what. You left out an entire paragraph where I explained my motives, point by point.

Originally Posted by Lightwing (full quote)

Well let's see. Logical...non-condescending...non-dismissive. I dunno. This is gonna be hard.

You start a thread on the subject of sex, but taking the subject of sex in a very immature manner. It can't possibly be serious considering the fact that very few MBN people have actually met each other and would clearly be unable to give an educated response as to which forum personality they would want to back-shaft. So it's clearly a goofy thread with barely any intention for intelligent discussions. Additionally, several people requested the thread closed -- like Kobold and ChaosFish (a moderator and a 7 year member of the community). I was still pondering as to whether the thread should be closed until I noticed that 70% of the posts weren't even on-topic. It was either "oh, Dredg is so sick and bizzare" or "this thread is yicky."

I know. I know. It's all so illogical. But then again, I am an EViL mod~

Originally Posted by Aule

and my personal favourite, mr Dino-fly himself:
Quote:Originally Posted by Dino-Fly
"Dredg, you are a noob, yet you speak as if you were here before El."

I mean, your the real veteran here! Seriously, how can he forward his opinion when he gets that kind of crap from a guy who has been here 4 months.

Quote:Originally Posted by Dino-Fly
"Is it my fault he's flaming me for my beliefs?"

and

Quote:Originally Posted by Dino-Fly
"You killing innocent babies because their parents are morons, and now, you spam it everywhere, because you are looking for a flame war, why else would you do it then, and now, you put it in your sig, and then you complain when I say you have a sick mind."

doesnt quite add up do they? You were flaming him, he just stated his opinion.

I really do not see how Dino-Fly was flamming the guy. I think it was retaliation, and at one point, it went so far that he called him an SOB, but that was due to an insult.

In ANY case, if Anakin had returned as Dredg he should have been nothing but humble instead of saying things like:

E-T was a dick.
He was amazingly childish, and a whiner.

Ok, here's the deal:
A bunch of terrorists come to your house, point a gun to your head and tells you have to have sex with a male mbn member, or they kill you and your family.
You have to choose one, you can't commit suicide, etc.

Which one will it be??

And a good thing that is, as you're a shit mod.

hooray for abortions.
Let's have an orgy-porgy.

And that may have been fine if he was just sock puppeting. But you just don't say stuff like that during a ban period.

[Homeless]

Originally Posted by Lightwing

Anakin will STILL get about only 14 days, compared to 30 days he was meant to get, and the 30 days Obrasilo recieved when he did crap..

Lies!

Originally Posted by morshem

Actually, OBrasilo's ban was shorten to 15 days because he apologized (should have been much longer though...).

[Lightwing]

Okay. I suppose due to that all the arguements in my previous post are rendered void.

Sucks, meen.

[Dino-Fly]

The difference is that OBras admitted to it, even before anyone knew what took place.

[Homeless]

Originally Posted by Lightwing

Okay. I suppose due to that all the arguements in my previous post are rendered void.

Sucks, meen.

I suppose you are free to form your own opinion regarding this reaction to your action. However, it does not necessarily reflect my opinion.
All I have to add to this is the fact that I felt obligated to correct one tiny, yet obvious, mistake in your post.

Don't feel threatened, your manhood is still being preserved.