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Encyclopedia Twinsunica The Encyclopedia Twinsunica is the older version of the Twinsuniverse, about the world of the LBA games.

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Old 2002-03-12, 01:27
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Well, before we put things into catagories, we need to find info on them first....so, my first suggestion, is that we give description to characters. I suggest we do all the Relentless ones first. Now all we need is to come up with a list of as much charecters as we can. Any volenteers to create the list?
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Old 2002-03-12, 10:09
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No, it didn't work in that order.
Database first then we try to fill it.
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Old 2002-03-12, 11:16
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Also, all characters should have the same structure of text. Ofcourse one character has much more info that the other, but it should still have the same structure. Same for the other categories.

Darkflame, the 'objects' you suggest, are those the objects from the inventory in LBA1/2?

Those categories are good to begin with, I think. It will be easy to later on add or remove categories.
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Old 2002-03-12, 11:58
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Yes, those are the objects I was thinking off.
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Yes, If a catagory is too full up, we can sub-divide it.
If theres one too empty we will combine it into another one.
I think it should use a hierarchy arrangement, possible using a Java "tree" app. (like on FP's RMP depot)
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Old 2002-03-12, 17:33
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Yes, I'll try to do that with PHP & MySQL. But I personally don't have such big preference for Java applets. Well, perhaps it could fit here.

Idea: merge the islands and planets categories into one category called locations. After all, it fits in the tree structure, and then also the several locations on the islands can be worked out more in new items.

Outline so far:
(don't mind the numbers, and this is not the actual database structure, only how it will more or less display on the site)

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4 Locations
1   Twinsun
      Northern Hemisphere
        Fortress Island
        Polar Island
        Brundle Island
        Tipett Island
      Southern Hemisphere
        Citadel Island
        Rebel Island
        Principal Island
        Proxima Island
        Desert Island
      Hamalayi Mountains
2   Zeelich
      Surface
        Otringal
        Island of the Celebration
        Island of the Francos
        Elevator to the undergas
        Island CX
      Undergas
        Island of the Wannies
        Island of the Mosquibees
        Island below the Island of the Celebration
3   Emerald Moon
      Emerald Moonbase
6 Characters
7 Legends
8 Magic
9 Objects
The database layout is now more or less done, I'm now starting to build the site itself.

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Old 2002-03-12, 19:41
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Properties is what results the categories...I mean, sure, you can come up with that first, but think of how difficult it will be, because you will be leaving out many things (sense there are so many of them). On the other hand, once you identify the objects you can then sort them out.

Of course, if you feel that its more profitable to work vise versa, then be my guest.
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Old 2002-03-12, 20:27
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The good things with databases is that you change almost everything, even while the site already exists. So don't worry about that.

I'm currently thinking of a good name. I like "Encyclopedia Twinsunica", though it's ofcourse also about Zeelich and such. But I don't think that matters.

Any other suggestions, maybe?

Also, who's still in for writing text?

Darkflame, what exactly have you thought to store in Magic and legends? Magic could better be put into Objects (it should be renamed then) I think, because Twinsen's spells are just inventory items.

I'm not clear about Legends.

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Old 2002-03-12, 20:33
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Well, a lot of people will be writing text (in fact, i think almost all will) sense there is going to be so much of it. So i'm in.

About the locations section...besides the major landscapes, there's also streets and buildings....so I think we need to add those two catagories somewhere in there as well.

As far as the name of the encyclepedia goes, I don't really have any ideas.

Wacko: I think what darky means by ledgens is such things as the ledgend of the choosen one, dark monk, etc...
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Old 2002-03-12, 20:54
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Lightwing, the streets and area fit excellent in the database design. It's like this:

Locations, Twinsun, Citadel Island, Lupin-Bourg, Chez Luc

In fact it's endless expandable. The structure I made below was just a rough preview.

The legends... hmm, yeah.

UPDATE: because of IRC discussion, StarmanDX had the idea to make volumes I and II because the LBA worlds are more or less different in both games.

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Old 2002-03-12, 21:06
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I would like to be part of this project. There is more than one thing I can do, and if you need help, well I'd love to help you!
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Old 2002-03-12, 21:14
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In general, here's how it's going to work for now:

- I'm making the site, I'm also the only one for now to add the stuff
- Once the site is functional (that is, once it's easy to add categorized articles) people (me included) can start writing articles for about every item and making/gathering images that goes with it. This forum is excellent to post those articles.
- Every article can be edited (with additions or mistake removals)
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Old 2002-03-13, 00:22
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Quote:
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Darkflame, what exactly have you thought to store in Magic and legends? Magic could better be put into Objects (it should be renamed then) I think, because Twinsen's spells are just inventory items.
Magic is not an "objects".
It should be a Twinsunian excelopidia, not a guide to the game.
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Same about deviding it into LBA1 and 2, I don't like that at all.
It should be a seemless app.
Maybe just have "seen in LBA-X" at the bottom of an artical.But putting them in seperate sections would spoll it.
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Magic, I wrote a short thing on Magic bottles
And we could write about the Tunic (magic container)
As well as the spells themselves.
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Old 2002-03-13, 00:59
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Darkflame, it isn't as easy as you think...the events in both games overlap one another...its quite hard to create a database with everything combined.
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Old 2002-03-13, 10:05
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hu? how would it be hard give me an example?
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Old 2002-03-13, 16:29
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Desert Island is completely different in the LBA's, for example. If we want to work out every detail of the islands, we would have to take the version of one of the games only. With two volumes of the encyclopedia we will be able to work out both versions.
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Desert Island is completely different in the LBA's, for example. If we want to work out every detail of the islands, we would have to take the version of one of the games only. With two volumes of the encyclopedia we will be able to work out both versions.
Don't be silly its ONLY Desert and Citadle Island that overlape.
You can just put them in seperate articals
Like:
>Desert Island (LBA1)
>Desert Island (LBA2)
No need for a whole differen enclopidea, thats just silly.
You could even write it in the same artical, make it a long artical and you explain the changes that happened after funfrocks reign ended.
It should be a an encylopida of the LBA universe.
Not just a detailed guide to the games
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Hmm, you're probably right.

Still there are more things that were different in both LBA's (can't remember which though), but I guess making two versions of articles (marked with I/II) would be good too.

Other opinions on this?
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Actualy there isn't.
I've been thinking, its mainly because its all set on Zeelich.
Theres very few things that overlap.
And those that do, are identical anyway.
(Hearts,Magic ball...ect)
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Well, its also good if someone wants to search something in general, and he/she doesn't know if it was in LBA/LBA2 (i know its sounds unlikely, but still). I mean, sure we can do...its just going to be rather tricky.
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I really don't see how its harder then having 2 seperate database's
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One database will allow us to expand on the LBA world easier.
I dunno about you, but personaly I thought one of the cool things about the compendium is we can make a whole LBA Universe
Its easier to add new stuff, if you have it all in a one.
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Hay, If anyone's read/watched/listened to THE HITCH HIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, then I think this compendium should be like the guide
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I'm not saying that one is harder then the other anymore...

All I'm saying is that keeping two seperate volumes would take MORE time. But having a combined volume would be a little tricky. Don't put false words into my mouth.
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ok, sorry.
How would having it combined be a little tricky then?
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What we have to have is 2 volumes, mainly because some places (the tavern, the pharmacy) and some characters (the pharmacist) CHANGED with some kinda miracle between both games. I know you actually kill the Quetch pharmacist in LBA1 ()
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well, not really, we can just say where they are in LBA 1 and where they are in LBA 2
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Zoe for example...is she Twinsen's wife or girlfried...because in TO they have a baby, but Twinsen calls her his gf in the begging of the game. So how do we deal with that?

Or the extremely dramatic change of Temple of Bu. I'm not saying its impossible to do...I'm just saying that it won't be as easy.
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