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Old 2005-01-30, 00:29
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Old 2005-02-04, 15:28
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Old 2005-02-04, 17:07
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I just re-read my post and discovered it was misleading:
the wave is boring the ending has delcious irony.
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Old 2005-02-05, 01:09
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But what really bothers me is the decision in Russia to "inspect" jewish activities and gatherings, to see if they're anti-christian and should be banned. kinda feels like a deja-vu there. :-\
It's funny that you mention it.

Russia has lately experienced a wave of re-awakening anti-semetism.

Many jews have been known to have been attacked by russians for descriminative purposes *more so than usual*

I saw a Russian TV Debate Show yesterday, where an old War Veteran freely declared that the Jews are responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union, for stealing all the wealth of Russia (including the natural resources such as oil, gold, etc), and proceeded to blame the TV Host *who was also jewish* for murdering two of the famous Soviet War heroes.

The interesting part is that near the end of the show, the audience was asked to vote on who they most supported. As it turned out, the War Veteran gained the majority of the votes.
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Old 2005-02-05, 12:39
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I saw a Russian TV Debate Show yesterday, where an old War Veteran freely declared that the Jews are responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union, for stealing all the wealth of Russia (including the natural resources such as oil, gold, etc), and proceeded to blame the TV Host *who was also jewish* for murdering two of the famous Soviet War heroes.

The interesting part is that near the end of the show, the audience was asked to vote on who they most supported. As it turned out, the War Veteran gained the majority of the votes.
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That's unbelievable.
Don't they see who the war vet is resembling in what he says?

Btw, do russians (only the ones that live in Russia itself) consider the fall of the soviet union a good thing? Since it was coupled with the fall of communism.
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Old 2005-02-05, 13:45
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Yes, may russians do actually, thats why they still have lenin on display and stuff... IMHO Russia was better of during the time of the early (lenin) and late (end of coldwar-ish) soviet union. Russia is not a pleasant site right now ive heard.
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That's unbelievable.
Don't they see who the war vet is resembling in what he says?

Btw, do russians (only the ones that live in Russia itself) consider the fall of the soviet union a good thing? Since it was coupled with the fall of communism.
I remembered reading about that during last term when we studied democratization, so I searched for it in a compendium and found it after a few minutes:

58% of the Russians thought, in 1999, that things were better before 1985. The same number in 1994 was 44%.
26% evaluated the Stalin era as positive in 1999. In 1994 it was 18%
The perestroika years, which Aule mentioned, was only looked at in a positive way by 9%. The same number was 16% in 1994.
34% agreed that the Russian political system was a democracy in 1996, the same number was 19% in 1999.
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"Offered several choices in a survey, more than twice as many Russian respondents in 1999-2000 opted for the pre-perestroika system as favored 'the political system taht exists today.'"
"Interestingly, however, Timothy Colton and Michael McFaul found that the largest grouping (41% of the population) preffered 'the Soviet system, but in a different, more democratic form'. When other post-Soviet surveys canvassed opinion on perestroika or 'the Gorbachev era,' they found relatively low and declining levels of support. Yet a case could be made for regarding those very years as 'the soviet system, but in a different, more democratic form.'"
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This apparent contradiction can be explained in a number of ways. The Svoiet system was noi longer communist in any meaningful sense of the term from 1989 onwards; reform had given way to systemic transformation. It is possiblem then, that Russians wanted a less comprehensive dismantling of the Svoiet political system. More likely, they remain nostalgic for the levels of physical and economic securituy and wefale that the post-Stalin Soviet era offered (however inadequate they were by the standards of West European welfare states). And probably most decisibely, the perestorika period has come to be associated in the popular mind with the disintegration of the Soviet Union (which most Russians regret) etc
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I hate these pleople who make fun of such things.
But I think it's even worse when some people call German Nazis. There are Nazis, but believe me, most of the German are not...
For example in my favorite Online Game: Graal Online. Many American Players called me Nazi or Hittler(Well Hittler was Austrian, i think) when they get to know that i'm German... I don't know what is the problem of these people or what makes them think like that.
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MuhMuh,many americans can be expected to say stuff like that, don't let it get to you
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Old 2005-02-08, 21:12
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But not all of us are like that. ^_^;
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Not all the Germans were nazis, but all the nazis were German - and during that time most of the Germans Were nazis. And that's the whole point basically.
People still remember that. It's a bit like the thing with my country, i saw stickers abroad, saying in polish "do not spit, do not steal, do not slam the door"
and the stickers were mashine made, and were visible in every shop - do you know why ? Becouse most of the people that go abroad from poland are sick bastards, thieves that stole the money to leave - and this bunch of people, makes the whole nation look like a band of thugs. I even heard that in France people consider Polish citizens as alcohol addicted drunks - geeez, most of the people I know, drink a glass of shampagne in the new year - and that's it.
The worst thing is, that the really innocent people, have to work, to repair the image, that was shattered by thieves, drunks, total bastards and even mass murderers(like in the case of the nazis).
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Not all the Germans were nazis, but all the nazis were German - and during that time most of the Germans Were nazis. And that's the whole point basically.
People still remember that. It's a bit like the thing with my country, i saw stickers abroad, saying in polish "do not spit, do not steal, do not slam the door"
and the stickers were mashine made, and were visible in every shop - do you know why ? Becouse most of the people that go abroad from poland are sick bastards, thieves that stole the money to leave - and this bunch of people, makes the whole nation look like a band of thugs. I even heard that in France people consider Polish citizens as alcohol addicted drunks - geeez, most of the people I know, drink a glass of shampagne in the new year - and that's it.
The worst thing is, that the really innocent people, have to work, to repair the image, that was shattered by thieves, drunks, total bastards and even mass murderers(like in the case of the nazis).
The Nazi's weren't only in German if you're talking about the idiology. They were also in Austria, Switzerland, France, Great Brittain, the Netherlands, the USA, etc.
Kind of like a bad tumor poisoning the world really.
It's strange though the French think that of Polish. In the NL we only see the Polish as cheap workforce...which isn't too positive as well
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Not all the Germans were nazis, but all the nazis were German
Did you ever hear about a certain Vidkun Quisling, my dear? The Norwegian Nazi leader, who was put as the President of Norway by the German Nazis. And then, there were Slovenian Nazis, called "belogardisti" from "bela garda" (white guard), etc. And even the fascists were not only in Italy, there were also in Spain (Francisco Franco), in Croatia (called "ustashi"). It's true, yes, that Italy and Germany were two big forces in Europe, this is why usually we mention them, but we can't just neglect other countries like that.

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Old 2005-02-10, 18:59
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Not all the Germans were nazis, but all the nazis were German - and during that time most of the Germans Were nazis. And that's the whole point basically.
People still remember that. It's a bit like the thing with my country, i saw stickers abroad, saying in polish "do not spit, do not steal, do not slam the door"
and the stickers were mashine made, and were visible in every shop - do you know why ? Becouse most of the people that go abroad from poland are sick bastards, thieves that stole the money to leave - and this bunch of people, makes the whole nation look like a band of thugs. I even heard that in France people consider Polish citizens as alcohol addicted drunks - geeez, most of the people I know, drink a glass of shampagne in the new year - and that's it.
The worst thing is, that the really innocent people, have to work, to repair the image, that was shattered by thieves, drunks, total bastards and even mass murderers(like in the case of the nazis).
What he said!
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Did you ever hear about a certain Vidkun Quisling, my dear? The Norwegian Nazi leader, who was put as the President of Norway by the German Nazis. And then, there were Slovenian Nazis, called "belogardisti" from "bela garda" (white guard), etc. And even the fascists were not only in Italy, there were also in Spain (Francisco Franco), in Croatia (called "ustashi"). It's true, yes, that Italy and Germany were two big forces in Europe, this is why usually we mention them, but we can't just neglect other countries like that.

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I wouldn't say that Franco was a fascistic leader, even though he was supported by the fascist party. But your point is clear, just as Atresica's - of course there were nationalsocialists, organized or not, all over Europe during this time (and there still are).

Of course there are lots of prejudice about Polish people in west Europe, just as there of many other peoples from east europe (lithuanians for example). But to be honest, the gypsies, jews and arabs are having it a bit worse. That doesnt matter though
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Old 2005-02-10, 21:25
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From what I know, Nazis and Facist, altough similar are not the same, Nazis were only in Germany and in some other countries( with German roots) Facist were in Italy of course, and I believe that they were also in Spain. As for nationalistic ideas, it was visible all over europe back than. And one more thing, I was not complaining about the way people from Poland are treated, becouse I know, that many are far worse, I just wanted to show you an example, and to say that a lot of young people have to fight for a new Image of their country, becouse of thieves, bastards, murderers who ruined that Image. Just like young people from Germany, are sometimses called nazis.
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Old 2005-02-10, 21:27
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Facists were simply far right wingers. Nazis just happened to be facist. All Nazis were facists, but not all facists were Nazis.
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All right-extremists are not fascists. Fascism is an violent, nationalistic, somewhat anti-capitalistic ideology which has only been in power in Italy and Germany (and, in a way, in Spain, but it wasnt really fascistic). What differs it from Nazism is basically the race-ideological parts.
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Yeah, what Gustav said. (I didn't say all right wing was facism btw.)
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Yes.
Plus fasicsm saw war as an important virtue or something.
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