The human race

[Lightwing]

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You remind me of one of those debators who doesn't actually pay attention to a discussion but rathers argues for the sake of prooving someone wrong.

[DedalousDiggle]

You see, I gave up on arguing with him.
He has his opinions, I have mine.
I'm not changing and I don't think he's going to either.
So... what would be the point of trying to prove his position wrong?
I'll accomplish nothing.
No matter how much he complains that people misquoted him, or didn't read his posts, I paid attention to the discussion.
But I gave up.
Now I'm posting because I'm pissed off at Darkflame's irrationality.

[Lightwing]

I dunno man. I was trying to be pretty neutral, so I did notice how certain debators argued some of his statements that he didn't even mention.

And if you agree that everybody has his own point of view, I wouldn't call him irrational. I think each side has given good, solid support.

[DedalousDiggle]

I didn't think his argument was irrational, that's why I stopped arguing against it.
It was how he keeps saying that I'm misunderstanding him when, I think, he knows he was wrong but is too proud to admit it.

[Lightwing]

Not in this case he wasn't.

He was mainly skeptic about all the "Heil Hitler" crap on the thread. Can't blame him. That's a pretty lame way to argue.

Besides, much of his stuff was solid. And its logical in theory. I mean, I'm not saying I totaly disagree with the otherside, but much of the "population preserving" stance is pretty solid. At least in my opinion.

[Atresica]

If you allow me

Now I'm posting because I'm pissed off at Darkflame's irrationality.

I didn't think his argument was irrational, that's why I stopped arguing against it.

Hmmm...

But yes, I agree, again, here with Lightwing, you look one of those typical people who just want to misunderstand the other side.

[Medur]

Not taking part in the argument, but I think you all misunderstood DedalousDiggle. He think Darkflame's reaction was irrational, not his argumentation.
I think you're talking about him without knowing him. Anyone who knows the nice dude he's at #LBA knows he wouldn't "want to misunderstand" the other side.

[Reek]

Agreed.

[CS2x]

Going randomly back to the original point in this thread, I think we are the race that add value and destruction to this planet. Without us, the planet would probably be thriving in terms of ecology and so on-but all animals would be following their set paths, following their instincts, etc. We, I believe, in some abstract sense, add value to this planet because we can appreciate the beautiful equations, foodweebs, scenes, scents, reactions etc. that are actually going on here (on a very high level). I ask the question-without us, would a sunset be "beautiful"? No, it'd be the way the light rays of the sun shine through the clouds in the evening, nothing more, nothing less.

I haven't made my point very clearly, but I'm sure some of you understand...kind of.

[Reek]

Yes, i understood what you meant.
We indeed created things like 'beauty' and 'value' and all that..
But the other species on this planet still want to live.
Some of them may not know why, but they still do.
Sure, humans made life more than it originally was,
but we still have no right to end other creature's life, or interfere with it, UNLESS it's natural processes, such as feeding.

[Robrecht]

I have to apologise for my severe reaction earlier, but I hope that you can understand that when someone starts talking about making the sterilisation of the mentally impaired, it makes a little alarm go off in my head.

Sorta the same way a law to make sexually perverse behaviour would make an alarm go off in a gay man's head.
Because even if the people talking aren't referring to him, the gay man knows that some people would put him under the header of 'sexually perverse'.

[Atresica]

no apologies nessecary, it's a subject that makes all people emotional.

[Panda]

But to say we don't derserve to live on this planet? Its nonsense. Its 1 thing destroying it, another not deserving to live upon it.

[Lightwing]

Look, you have to realize. We are just a race....a species. In a way, we are just like any other biological organism in the fact that our origins are the same. We may have different properties and have gained such things as abilities of mass desctruction, but in the end, I don't believe ourselves to be a different form of existance.

That is, I still see humanity as a child of nature. And thus, I do not think that we are gods and that we cannot achieve anything outside the boundries of nature. Yes, we have evolved, but only within. We can destroy ourselves and destroy everything around us. In truth it is bad.

But it isn't anything that Nature cannot handle. Nature has been through far worse things than deforestation, pollusion, mass population and even nuclear wars. We pose of no threat to the ceasure of its existance.

I believe then, that we should not worry the right of our existance because it might be an apocolypse of some sort on nature's behalf. Simply, because we can cause no demise to nature or existance of the universe.

[Boo]

I think the world should all just be friends and give each other hugs and stuff.

[Lightwing]

yeh

lotsa hugs 'n kisses.

[Reek]

Originally posted by Boo
I think the world should all just be friends and give each other hugs and stuff.

You're right, let's start with you, COME 'ERE SWEETCAKES

[Panda]

Yes! Next time your neighbours dog tries to mutilate you, give it a big bear hug!

Hmm, yeah, Lightwing, I see your point. But you think its only down to nature? Some things nature can't stop, like, a nuclear war. (Lol, a crazy example, but a possible one none the less.)

[Robrecht]

Grow up...

[Lightwing]

You're right Pandemona, nature can't stop a Nuclear War. In fact, there is really nothing that nature can stop. But it can edure. And the very fact that we are here, the fact that we have these powers to create destruction, means that nature is prepared to handle it.

[Reek]

Ok, I don't know what the future holds, but i'm quite sure one day we will have the power to blow up the planet.
So maybe the nature of the universe will endure,
but our nice little planet won't endure, as it will be gone.]
Sure, what reason do we have to destroy our planet?
Well if we start living on other planets, and then two planets have a war, that's all that is needed.

[Lightwing]

I wouldn't be so cliche. If you blow up a planet, all the "ships" in the vesinity will be totaled by the chuncks of the earth.

[Panda]

Lmao, dude. The chances of a spacewar in this galaxy is..... next to nil. Our planet can support life, and ours only. The moon will be a space colony, as well as Mars, possibly. Then we have to rely on space travel to help us find allies or enemies in the beyond. Who knows what can be out there. For all we know, there could be a parallel world out there.....

An infinite universe........ its impossible for the mind to digest.

One thing is certain, humanity will never possess the power to explore the universe completely. Ever.

[Reek]

Originally posted by Pandemona

One thing is certain, humanity will never possess the power to explore the universe completely. Ever.

Why?

[Star]

I voted "I don't know".

I don't think the human kind only brought bad things, though there are a lot.