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Old 2002-04-17, 23:52
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God

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Maybe yes , maybe no , maybe both !
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Depends on your view of what "God" is.
If its a all-powerfull, creator of the universe (existances), who individualy cares for all of us, then I'd say No.
But If its an enity of some sort who came into existance with the universe and controlled and influenced its developement, and allthough not able to specificaly effect every last atom, is able to apply a more "general" good, then yes, I belive in that
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In Islam, we believe that their is only one god, "Allah", who is the supreme creator of the universe. So yes, I think 'god' exists.
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I don't think there's a god which created everything. But I do think there are 'supreme beings'. I consider the Annunaki story believable, so I think there were/are beings way more advanced than we (in space). I think there are Gods
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In Islam, we believe that their is only one god, "Allah", who is the supreme creator of the universe. So yes, I think 'god' exists.
The Universe? or Our Universe?
Or do you believe theres only one area to the universe, and thats what we see ?
Religions arn't very specific with there messages.
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Do they have to be specific? The beauty of religions (if no one tempered with them yet) is that one has a kind of bases to believe in but still can choose certain things of it.
Otherwise you would get fundamentalism and that kills every religion.

My 'version' of god is nearly the same like Darkflame's.
I believe that the universe itself is 'god'.

I also believe that 'god' is a being with great curiosity and interest, explaining why we are here (mind you, I fail to believe that god has created us on purpose, I think we're one of the things that came to exitance when 'god' tried some things).

I think god is objective, and all-seeing, but it does not concentrate everywhere. However, god is able to influence us in certain ways, because after all, Earth (and evolution) are also a part of the universe. It not like 'god' can teleport a super rock into the air and crush us all, but it might be able to influence people themselves.

Further more, I believe in 'lesser' gods. Devine beings able to influence us and help us in certain ways as well, but not the same way 'god' can.
These devine beings can either be created through evolution (on 'purpose') or a by-product of the creation of the universe like we know it (not on purpose).

Finally, I think we are the imagenation of 'god'. And when 'god' has seen everything of this imagenation, it will start over, to exploit other posibilities (other constands, other 'laws', etc.)
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Old 2002-04-18, 14:17
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This is mainly for Christians

Christians belive that God is all powerful, all knowing and all good. But if that's the case, why is there suffering in the world? God would not make us suffer if he were all good; he must be making us suffer on purpose, but he would never do that, because he is all good. And he must be able to prevent the suffering because he is all powerful! And he must have known about it, because he is all knowing. So it seems that he can't be all three.

The free will theory states that God gave us free will, and we cause suffering, not him

This is a common argument in favour of him existing. But what about poor babies who are born with severe disabilities, or innocent civilians who die from earthquakes or volcanoes? They didn't deserve to die and it wasn't any human's fault that they did.

BUT

A man named Blaise Pascal applied his superb brain to the problem and came up with this theory:

We should live our lives as if God exists
  • If we go through life thinking that he doesn't exist, we will be miserable when we live because we will think that life ends at the grave. If we die and we are right, we can't exactly say "Ha! Told you so!" because no-one will be around. If we are wrong, we will face an afterlife of hell because we doubted God's existance.
  • If we go through life thinking that he does exist, then we will be happy throughout life because we shall assume that we'll have an afterlife in heaven. When we die, if we are wrong, it won't matter because no-one will be able to say "Ha! Told you so!". If we are right, we face a lifetime in heaven.

    So even if you don't think God exists, you should still believe that he does.
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What I also wonder is why most welfair comes from religious people (who believe in an after-life), than from people who don't believe in it.

I mean, it's just strange that people who don't believe in an after life don't seem to care about the well being of others.

Of course, many religious people do it because they would do good. Still, why would they bother caring if there would be an after-life anyway?
(that is, if you don't believe in hell)

Correct me if I'm wrong,...
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Being a christian myself i find you amazing atresica.

You claim to be an occultist and from a christian point of view that would spell satanist which would therefore force you into believing in god and hating him.

But you appear to have the same opinion about god that darkflame holds, which is why i dont feel guilty about talking to you.
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Old 2002-04-18, 15:23
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Wait, you think that occultism is Satanism?

You couldn't be more wrong
  • First, magic ISN'T evil. Magic is like a hammer, you can contruct things with it, but you can also destroy things with it.
  • Second, Occultists and Pagans DON'T believe in Satan. Satan is for most of them a personification of evil, not a real person, and certainly not a god
  • Third, Occultists and Pagans DON'T hate god. Some might hate christians, but not god.
  • Fourth, Satanism isn't just believing in Satan and being against god. It means you either believe Satan isn't evil or believe in satanic pricipes (love who deserve love, but destroy your enemies)
    Many Satanists even reject the existance of a god.
  • Fifth, before you start quoting things from King James Bible, may I inform you that King James was deadly afraid of witches and tried to picture them and magic as evil.
    If you check other translations (catholic bible, or the Qu'ran), you'll notice that it stated that not all magic is evil.
    (Catholic bible states that magic with the help of Satan is evil (in other words: magic with an evil intention) and the Qu'ran states that magic with the help of Jinns (Islamic demons) is evil (again, magic with evil intentions)
  • And as Last: Occultism is the study in supernatrual things and things that aren't being studied by 'scientists'. It has no solid religion (you can be christian and occultist) and no abdolute truth (occultism believes that there is no absolute truth).
    It's a science, not a religion.

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Old 2002-04-18, 15:29
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Why, in all 1000 and something pages of the Bible, does it not mention dinosaurs? Well? Huh?
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You mean with the evolution theory?

Well my theory is this. The writer of Genesis knew how things came to existance, but had to explain it to the common people.
With seven days stuff and such, it would be easy to explain

But how on earth did he/she/it had to explain to those people that there used to be gigantic beings on earth? Try picturing it yourself
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Ok, first of all, im not a catholic, i follow a small church called the baptist church.

I am in no way dissagreeing with what you say, i am merely about to in form what i beleive and what my religion tells me.

Satan is evil and trys to hoodwink people into beleiving what you have just told me. Many of my freinds believe everything that you have just told me except they call themselves satanists.

I wont go quoting stuff out of the bible because ive never actually read enough of it to know it all. But i have read it and read enough to know that my religion rules out anything to do with the occult. When you suddenly changed your title to "wannabe occultist" I got very scared. I like you as a person, but i dont think i like any real witches, its all fine and dandy in harry potter, but like this "king james" guy (who i had never heard of before) i am scared of witches, but what i like about my religion is that i know my god will keep me safe.

All those times when people have assumed me satanic and invited me into satanic rituals because of the clothes i wear and the music i listen to i have felt running away, because it is scary, but i know my god will keep me safe and i just tell them to get to fuck and that i am a christian.
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They clearly sound like wannabee-Satanists, just to shock other people or their parents. Really sad.

To be honest, I'm don't know enough about occultism to insure you you won't be harmed by it, but I can tell you that if you study and practise it, you can be harmed (due to wrong preparations and such)

You also should understand that any religion has occultic things. Praying and such is very occultic. And things like the Eugaristy (I can never spell that word) is VERY occultic (it goes by the principe that you can give food a certain 'wish')

Overall, stay away from those people. They clearly don't sound very sane.
And if you ever get involved with real occultists or Pagans (wiccans), don't forget that they share the same morals as you do
(most wiccans believe in the 'wiccan rede' which is simular to "Thou shall not do to others what you don't wish to yuorself" and a fair amount of occultists believe in the "Law of the three-vault", which means if you do something bad, you get it 3 times back, if you do something good, you also get it 3 times back)

Also, I'm not saying this to 'draw you to the darkside', just to inform you
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Ok, i have been informed, i trust you, but ill still be a little bit cautious
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Ah philosophers... Where would we be without them...

The problem with Pascal's Wager is that it assumes the existence of just one God (which one isn't important, though of course he refered to the Christian God)... And he says that:

1. If you believe and you're right, you go to heaven.
2. If you believe and you're wrong, well you're dead so no loss.
3. If you don't believe and you're right, well you're dead, so you can't gloat or anything...
4. If you don't believe and you're wrong, it's Hell for you.

So it's in your best interest to believe. But what about other religions that say if you don't do it their way, you're going to have eternal punishment? If you don't live a good Islamic life, will you go to Islamic Hell? If you don't lead a good Jewish life, will you go to Jewish Hell? Clearly, we shouldn't worry about religions that don't have severe penalties. But now it's not a simple choice of believing or not.

Also, can you consciously decide to believe something? To say you believe is one thing. But if you really don't believe, but say you do because it's in your best interest, do you think God's going to by that?

Oh, and I'm an atheist. So no G[g]od for me.
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*double post, but that last one was getting long and this is a different subject*

Ramond: Were you being sarcastic when you called the baptist church small? Maybe over there, but they're quite the force in the US. There are multiple denominations of baptists, and the more radical ones give the US their Fundamentalists (fundies I like to call 'em).
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All of the following religions worship/ deify one God;

Christianity
Judaism
Sikhism
Islam

Now, what I want to ask is; Is it SAME god that they worship? (Or are they separate, eg; "The God of Mohammed", "The God of the Israelites", etc.)
In theory, since there is only one God, why can't it be the same one. (Put it this way, the world would be a much better place...)

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argonlie, you just explained Blaise Pascals's theory. Ten posts up the page I explained his theory. How very clever of you indeed.

Oh and Blaise Pascal wasn't a philosopher. He was a mathematician.

And which religions say 'If you don't do it our way, you?re going to have eternal punishment'? Well? For example, if you are a Buddhist and believe in earning good karma you could still get to heaven even if God is Christian, because you have been doing the morally right things all your life.

Why is it a problem that he only considered one God? It makes no difference...
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True. It would be nice if everyone could agree on a God. But what about the polytheistic systems like Hinuism. Or the atheistic traditions? There's a branch of Buddhism that says the Buddha is a god (I think this is the Buddhism that gained popularity in Japan), but another that says he is just a man and that there are no 'gods.'

But people are so caught up in their dogma. Even if the monotheistic systems are deifying the same entity, they're still all convinced that they know the best way of gaining Its favor.
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That's the one thing I HATE about christianity. In theory, if you don't follow a set of rules that would seriously restrict your life, you end up in hell even if you're not part of that religion.

However, I do apreciate Christianity and espescially Sikhism for thier more positive teachings on how you should treat eachother, and that you'll always be part of a community that apreciates you.

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The core of most religions try to teach people to be good to one another. And if I hadn't been brought up Lutheran I don't know if the values of kindness and understanding and love for your fellow person would be so deeply ingrained. But now I don't need a religion to tell me to be good.

When I was little, the thought of Santa Claus keeping an eye on me at Christmas probably helped me behave a bit more, but I outgrew him too.

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