Producers,Payments & PayPall

[SpaceGuitarist]

Just for the record:

~ Interview with Philippe Vachey for Pixel Nation

[Neko]

Hey Battler,
I will respond more in depth later, but why this talk about what kind of person I am?
I basically upload my music for free, what does that make me?
Oh and silverlight is definitely not on sale and ofcourse you would get share, wtf are you thinking?

Polly:
If you are glenn gould, you will be remembered as a pianist. You just need to be great.

[Neko]

Oh and kudos to roy for saying everything i wanted to say.

Battler, i think your idea is very noble but I prefer a little more freedom. I wouldnt mind if people would torrent my work if I was a professional artist too. If someone buys it it is like a donation, cool.

[Polaris]

What do you mean SGK ? Vachey has ideas I disagree with, but so has the whole world, that doesn't make him a bad person in my eyes. He has a side that is for me a dick side, but a human being is too complex to have only one side.

Upon reflection a short license might be a good thing, but certainly not something lasting more than a lifetime.

Jesse : why do you say that ? Even if you were re-arranging tunes the uploading them, you would still be remembered for them.

I mean, same thing as being a composer, you are not Mozart, but you'll still be remembered.
(pleasepleaseplease don't take this personally this comment wasn't a judgement of your work.)

[Neko]

Battler seems to think I write music purely for money which is bullshit. I am gratefull I am able to compose 0_o.
Thats why I said that

Originally Posted by Polaris

What do you mean SGK ? Vachey has ideas I disagree with, but so has the whole world, that doesn't make him a bad person in my eyes. He has a side that is for me a dick side, but a human being is too complex to have only one side.

Upon reflection a short license might be a good thing, but certainly not something lasting more than a lifetime.

Jesse : why do you say that ? Even if you were re-arranging tunes the uploading them, you would still be remembered for them.

I mean, same thing as being a composer, you are not Mozart, but you'll still be remembered.
(pleasepleaseplease don't take this personally this comment wasn't a judgement of your work.)

[Battler]

- Jesse: Well, some of your posts made you appear as if you only care about making millions. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Since you're not one of those "profits über alles" artists, then awesome. But you're an exception rather than the rule. Sadly, the norm are the artists signed to the big corporations such as RIAA who then sue 12-year-old girls for "loss of profit" and "theft" for downloading a song.

[Neko]

Ok then.
I just have no problem with someone like mike oldfield being rich.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Battler

Sadly, the norm are the artists signed to the big corporations such as RIAA who then sue 12-year-old girls for "loss of profit" and "theft" for downloading a song.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the norm, it's just that those people are the most well-known and get the most exposure. Most musicians are poor or have to do an other job to sustain themselves.

[Reek]

Originally Posted by Battler

- Jesse: Well, some of your posts made you appear as if you only care about making millions. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Since you're not one of those "profits über alles" artists, then awesome. But you're an exception rather than the rule. Sadly, the norm are the artists signed to the big corporations such as RIAA who then sue 12-year-old girls for "loss of profit" and "theft" for downloading a song.

It's amazing how wrong you are. It's really incredible that someone can be as wrong as you are, and still not realize it.

[Polaris]

I doubt that it's this extraordinary... Everyone must be like this in the eyes of someone else.

[Reek]

If someone says "the sky is purple" and doesn't see why he's wrong, it's extraordinary.

[Battler]

- Reek: Turn on the radio. And tell me who do you hear? Because at least here, I tend to hear the likes of Justin Bieber, One Direction, Britney Spears, etc. How are those "artists" not for-profit commercial cack?

Edit: More to the list (some you may not know, but I can assure you, they are cack) - Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Marco Carta, etc.

[Reek]

How are artists that are signed to big corporations the norm?

Don't you think there are more artists out there who aren't signed to big corporations than ones that are?

Obviously, only 1 in 100000 artists really manage to land a major contract. Most of them spend their lives making stuff that most people won't see, performing in local pubs and the like if they're lucky,

[Battler]

- Reek: True that.

[SpaceGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Reek

It's amazing how wrong you are. It's really incredible that someone can be as wrong as you are, and still not realize it.

*pheeew* Thanks Reek. My fingers were itchy to type that all this time, but I held myself from doing so... this is somewhat relieving.

[Polaris]

What ?! I typed this eight posts ago and no one cared

[Neko]

Cause you dissed us composers

[Polaris]

Yes, but I did it with a lot of affection ?

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The combination of melody and lyrics in "Happy Birthday to You" first appeared in print in 1912, and probably existed even earlier.[1], pp. 31–32 None of these early appearances included credits or copyright notices. The Summy Company registered for copyright in 1935, crediting authors Preston Ware Orem and Mrs. R.R. Forman. In 1988, Warner/Chappell Music purchased the company owning the copyright for $25 million, with the value of "Happy Birthday" estimated at $5 million.[6][7] Based on the 1935 copyright registration, Warner claims that the United States copyright will not expire until 2030, and that unauthorized public performances of the song are technically illegal unless royalties are paid to Warner. In one specific instance in February 2010, these royalties were said to amount to $700.[8] In the European Union, the copyright of the song will expire no later than December 31, 2016.[9]

This is just ridiculous...

This got a youtube livestream of Citizencon 2013 to be taken down because THE AUDIENCE BEGAN TO SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! The full stream is now still up, with that part censored out...
Article on the subject with the video.

[Neko]

Yes it is. But that doesn't strenghten your case.

[Polaris]

Oohh, come on, that was just so we could put all that behind us and rant together

(Althought I still think that if musics became public domain way faster, this wouldn't happen.)

[Battler]

- Jesse: While I do agree copyright has a point to it, I think life + 70 years (or even 80 in some countries) is way too much, and possibly infinite if owned by a corporation. I think it should last 5 years, 10 at most. If in all that time you can't bring yourself to compose more stuff, then well, tough luck for you.

[Neko]

Life + 70 years? Ok I wasn't sure. How about just life? Seems fair to me. You die, it becomes public domain?

[Battler]

- Jesse: 5-10 years. Want to keep making money? Keep composing.

[Polaris]

Lol that haggle