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Old 2002-03-10, 13:34
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Good luck NickdeClaw, you might have to argue against me too

so where shall we start?

what IS real?
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Old 2002-03-10, 20:03
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well everything is real, it's just a matter of is there something putting us somewhere.... hmm.... woah... dude, that's deep
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:20
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Reality is existant everywhere, without reality all things would die. Therefore everything and everyone is REAL
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:33
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woah.... somebody agreed with me!

*without reality, all things would cease to exist
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:41
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well, I think there are multiple layers in things that are real

1- you can hold it
2- you can only see/smell it
3- you can only think of it
4- you only heard of it
5- it's not real, therefore, no one thinks of it

well, this is very rough, but you get the point I hope
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:44
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well everything is real, it's just a matter of is there something putting us somewhere.... hmm.... woah... dude, that's deep
Missing the point.
How real is a dream?
It is "real" because it is something, yet it is not AS REAL as what we think fo as "real life".
Theres different layers of Realness, its not a Yes/No Boolen state
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:49
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Atresica: um... i don't get the point, most of those are senses

Darkflame: i didn't say anything that would go against that, because i agree with you.

a dream is real because it is something, and that's just what i was saying. when i said it has to do with "something putting us somewhere" i was just talking about plains of reality, if there are any
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:54
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DF: A dream is only as real as how much belief is put into it... it isn't actually real, exept for mental reality, which does not exist in the actual world.
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:55
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okey, better stated:

1- you can grab
2- you feel with your sences except the sence of the skin
3- You know
4- You think
5- you've heard of it

the last one is there, but it has not been discovered yet, no one has 'senced' it before.
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:57
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Atre's sig, (this not to be taken seriously in ANY way): I would stay in the middle untill I died of starvation,

and its answers.... If you knew all the questions you would still have to learn the answers
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Old 2002-03-10, 23:58
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DF: A dream is only as real as how much belief is put into it... it isn't actually real, exept for mental reality, which does not exist in the actual world.
we're not saying what happens in a dream is reality, we're just saying, as you said, it's real in a mental reality, which has to exist in the "actual world" because a) how could with think and b) how could you have the dream in the first place if you're in the "actual world" when you have it?
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Old 2002-03-11, 00:00
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Fireball... i think she means the answers

edit: whoops... forgot to edit sorry Atre!
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Old 2002-03-11, 00:01
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indeed, also at the first one, you HAVE to choose (otherwise it would be too easy )
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Old 2002-03-11, 00:13
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At one side of the road is Fear, at the other side is Disillusion. What side do you choose?

um... duh: go back.
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Old 2002-03-11, 01:09
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we're not saying what happens in a dream is reality, we're just saying, as you said, it's real in a mental reality, which has to exist in the "actual world" because a) how could with think and b) how could you have the dream in the first place if you're in the "actual world" when you have it?
A dream is only a thought, it exists only on the very, very low level of reality, therefore, a dream is only as real as the person who dremt it thinks it is...
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Old 2002-03-11, 04:39
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i agree.
(that's exactly what i'm saying)
i'm saying that a dream is real because it is something, and i originally said nothing about the contents of the dream becoming reality outside of the dream, and afterwards i agreed with you by saying that the contents of a dream are only as real as the person having the dream believe it to be -- outside of the dream.
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Old 2002-03-11, 05:11
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My first explanation wasn't very good... But I do agree with you...
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Old 2002-03-11, 21:44
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people, keep on discussing, I'm only going to split the tread
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Fireball - But you know a dream isn't real afterwords don't you? But you don't always know that during the dream.
Every lower level of reality would be able to be explaine in terms of the reality its lower then.
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A dream can be explained by biological functions of the brain
A "matrix situation" could be explained by the functions of the machine tranfering the 'higher brains' messages down to the virtual body.
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Old 2002-03-11, 22:35
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I believe that anything that is real is something that can be experienced. You can experience a dream, a taste, a smell, a person, or even this guy:

(Just to break some tension )

Also, before you disect the meaning, what is the opposite of real? Fake? Non-real? What does that mean anyway? It hurts my head too...
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Old 2002-03-11, 22:36
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There's no such thing as 'real', only multiple layers of reality
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Old 2002-03-12, 22:15
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well that doesn't make any sense, because reality should be... the stuff that is real, so the stuff in reality should be real. and anyways, you don't know that.
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But if you consider the fact realness if a matter of existence of a one, it all makes sence on a 3rd level of logic, since this way certain realities can accur at once.
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NickdeClaw - You got to think deeper.
What is REAL?
I could quote a bit from the Matrix, but I won't...
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Some things are more real then others.
Its as simple as that.
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TacoTycoon- Unreal I suppose.
Meaning Unrealness is the opersite of realness.
Its like hot and cold, opersites, but there not clearly diffined.
(What is Hot? Like real, its relative)
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Real is anything that you believe to be.

Someone might think that illusions are real...some other person might think that dreams are not...another person can say that if it applies to one of his 5 sense then it is....basicaly, "realism" is just a matter of opinion...it can't be proven or disproven. It is what you believe it is.
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