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Old 2012-02-03, 13:34
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Alcatraz - Nice to see Hurley again, but nothing special.
Person Of Interest - Nice to see Ben & Sayid again, but nothing special. This is just an extension of one of the many open Lost threads.

And yes I said the name of the characters and not of the actors because they're playing the exact same characters they did in Lost. Sayid is now being played by a white dude.

In both the plot is not important, just the concept. I don't like standalone episodes too much.

Lovely Little Liars - Think "Kyle XY", then substract everything that's good about Kyle XY, and you'll get this show.


And now,

Psychoville - Amazing, amazing, wonderful wonderful. Watched the whole two seasons of this show straight in one go. About 7 hours of delightfulness. Pure joy.


I'll check out "Touch".
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Old 2012-02-03, 14:37
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Alcatraz gets more ongoing plotty a few epps in. Still mostly standalone, but the ongoing stuff is pretty interesting.

PoI stays completely standalone so far, aside from a little backstory stuff for 'ben'.

I agree with the characters being very similar. Doesn't bother me too much though. Guesss because we see common characters a lot anyway.

That said the most Lost-like thing at the moment is weirdly OnceUponATime - no actors/characters in common, but the basic episode format is identical. Follows a a different side character each episoide, with their present day actions/problems being intercut with flashbacks normally explain why they are acting like that. Then theres also touchs of "out of order" storytelling in how the flashbacks line up together with the various different characters lifes being influenced by eachother.
Difference being, by introducing magic from the start, it will be harder to disappoint with the ending
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Lifes Too Short epp1-3 - this is hilarious. It would be sooo bad taste if the star wasnt the co-writter.
It's basically a mockumentary following the life of a real-life dwarf actor Warwick Davis who plays a fictionalized version of himself.
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Old 2012-02-03, 16:49
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Btw I really disliked when in Alkatraz it was implied that
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This selfish... mentality... is disgusting.
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Old 2012-02-03, 17:56
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Must admit I didn't interpret it like that, more the normal cliche that EVERY character has to have some trama in their life and that the current situation is suddenly relevant too*.
If they show him less caring for a later child though I guess your point is valid.

*Fringe also had something a bit like this; Oliva is told she is going to die and bam...next epp is about predestination and fate etc etc. Crappy epp.
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Grimm s3 - God, I was so desperate for something I tried this again. In a reversal of the normal logic, the 3rd epp was actualy pretty good.
new rule;
"3rd episodes suck, unless the show sucks, then the third epp will be much better"


Outnumbered s2/s3- Fun sitcom. Nothing particularly special, but well acted, and the little girl is brilliant, especially when she is describing what should be done with "bad people"

"You cant just kill them, then you would be as bad as they are.."
"Well..what if we...tie big spikes to their chests...and put them, in a dark room and made them run around..."

Apparently a lot of the children's lines are improvised which makes it even more disturbing

Chuck (final) - Last batch of epps was pretty good, but that was a bit of a "meh" ending. Good enough, but clearly trying to cram too much in.
Id give the series credit for its humourious use of product placement - if your going to be blatant, make it funny.
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Yeah, haha, in Outnumbered basically the producer takes the kids into a corner and says "Well, why don't you ask them about this?" or "Tell them what you think about that." That's why, unusually for a sitcom, the kids feel like kids and not children acting like adults. I like Outnumbered a lot.

I recently watched the TV specials of Ruby in the Smoke and Shadow in the North. Was incredibly surprised to see Matt Smith pop up alongside Billie Piper! Ruby in the Smoke was great, although they had to cut out a lot of stuff from the book. Shadow in the North fell flat for me, especially Spoiler:
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Altogether though, I was pleasantly surprised that Billie Piper could pull off Sally Lockhart as well as she did.
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Old 2012-02-06, 19:37
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You might also consider trying Mondern Family. Its basically a US version of outnumbered Its not as good as outnumbered, but still pretty funny.
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OnceUponATime epp11 - Still brilliant. Odd that my favorite drama at the moment is a fairytale. Special effects seemed to have improved too.
I also love the Evil Queen/Mayor character - the relationship between her and the protagonist is rather close to the one between the mother and queen alien in the "V" series I note.
My only issue a bit I did see a few plotpoints of this epp coming a mile off.

LifesTooShort s1epp5 - not as funny as the others but still a good chuckle.
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Old 2012-03-16, 23:55
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Community s3e11 - The best comedy on US tv is finally back...with a not so great epp. bah.

Dirk Gently s1epp1/2 - hehe, I enjoyed this. I always thought Dirk Gently was better then the Hitchhikers Guide, and as a loose adaption it works well as a tv series.
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Old 2012-03-25, 05:43
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Fringe 4x15 - OH MY GOD, that was TERRIBLE. Who wrote this crap?! Stop ruining my favorite shows with shitty episodes.
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Old 2012-03-25, 12:43
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arg, disapointing to hear.
I did read a Fringe comic "Fringe: Beyond the Fringe" which was set from Peters perspective when he stepped into the machine to when he was erased for history - it was better then most of episodes this season.
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Avatar: Legend of Korra Epp1/2 -
Wahoooo.....I get a fun action adventure series back again. Love the worldbuilding here. Its set 100 years after Avatar:The Last Airbending, and technology/society has clearly progressed. (more so then in Star Trek with its "next gen" :P).
I love alt-universe/alt-tech/alt-soceitys etc. Not futuristic, just different.

As with before, excellent humor and a continuous plot with lots of elements introduced that will surely pay of latter. Animation budget seems to have gone up too - I see more detail in the backgroundss, better shadows etc.

Only minor crits is there was a few tired cliches but fortunately it gets past them quickly.
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Old 2012-03-26, 00:59
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arg, disapointing to hear.
I did read a Fringe comic "Fringe: Beyond the Fringe" which was set from Peters perspective when he stepped into the machine to when he was erased for history - it was better then most of episodes this season.
I should read that. Episode 4.15 was almost like jumping the shark. It was awful. It brakes my heart when such a smart show gets such a stupid episode. I kept hoping this whole episode would turn out to be some brain damaged character's hallucination.

2 lowest points:
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Peter couldn't be erased from the timeline because of a thing that can't be explained by science. I believe your people call it "love". PUKE PUKE PUKE PUKE!! PUKLRKRKRKRK!!
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So, I just got Netflix. Where to start?
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Old 2012-03-27, 00:28
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Dunno what its got.

Farscape? Jekyll? Avatar: The Last Airbender? I could name dozens of shows I have really enjoyed from start to finnish.

Films, well, Top Secret? That was darn funny I saw recently even though its old.

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Peter couldn't be erased from the timeline because of a thing that can't be explained by science. I believe your people call it "love". PUKE PUKE PUKE PUKE!! PUKLRKRKRKRK!!
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Yes, like a earler epp where they had a "tape" where they retrieved footage that was recorded over? It would have been fine if it wasn't a SD card they were holding.
But, who knows, maybe in this case for some reason Walter had a camera going at 60fps. But then, you wouldnt need a special machine to slow it down.
bah.

As for the love stuff. Yeah. I dont mind that he came back due to his mental connections with people as such - but the idea it "cant be explained by science" is very un-Fringe.
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Old 2012-04-12, 21:54
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Fringe 4x17 - better.
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Fringe 4x19 - That was wtf ish. Interesting....but is this cannon? an alt-universe? They never portrayed the observers as being like that before, so if its our universe/timeline they really need a good explanation!

Fringe -04x21 Better then a lot of recent epps too, but still with its flaws. I am amazed you-know-who is back as well.
I really dont like the bad-guys supposed motivation though - its stupid and supervillianish. Id much rather...
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He is somehow working to destroy the observers as he sees them as a threat.


Game of Thrones s1e1-4 - meh. Boring. I thought this would be good, but its just nudity, violence, and precious little story. Normaly a witty line or two in a eppisode, and its well produced Id give them that. But its sooo slow.
Theres only so much time people can spend onscreen talking about how bad Winter is before I turn off.

Ultimate Spiderman s1epp1/2 - bah. Trying wayyyy too hard to be funny and its not. Its a obnoxious childrens cartoon. And before anyone says thats what it should be, you should watch the previous "Spectacular Spiderman" cartoon that this one canceled.
That told better storys, was well animated AND was funnier.
Theres nothing worse then a show trying too hard too be funny, rather then just letting it come.

Avatar: Legend of Korra epp1-3 - As beautiful, interesting, and as gripping as expected. Some clinches here and there, but what a amazing world! Really nice too see some interesting alt-universe's on tv.

Dexter s1epp1/2 - Yeah, bit late here but started watching. Seems interesting. Oddly its a bit like KyleXY with the voiceover narration of someone "not quite human".
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Game of Thrones s1e1-4 - meh. Boring. I thought this would be good, but its just nudity, violence, and precious little story. Normaly a witty line or two in a eppisode, and its well produced Id give them that. But its sooo slow.
Theres only so much time people can spend onscreen talking about how bad Winter is before I turn off.
What's that that left forever?
Oh, right, your credibility.
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I stand by what I said. Its well produced, but poorly written, at least on those 4 episodes. It probably gets attention for its nudity/gore.

At one point a guy walks in, talks about winter for 5 minutes, and walks out....apparently completely forgetting why he walked in there to start with
They could easily half the length of those epps and nothing would be lost storywise.
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Well I'd suggest remembering everything that's being said. One of the complaints (especially on season 2) is that the pacing is incredibly high. Things that are adressed in the books in like 100 pages get only one tiny mumbled line in the series. The viewer is considered to hear and see every detail in the series in order for the full story to still be told in one episode. (this includes looking up family trees and such if you didn't read the book and don't know exactly who is who). The number of main characters in season 2 are about 30, and the rest of the characters you would need to memorize are around 60 I guess? And that's just the characters, not even the different types of religions, the rich and complicated history, etc.
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Well, I rarely remember that problem with any show.
"too slow" is far more common in tv.

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(this includes looking up family trees and such if you didn't read the book and don't know exactly who is who). The number of main characters in season 2 are about 30, and the rest of the characters you would need to memorize are around 60 I guess? And that's just the characters, not even the different types of religions, the rich and complicated history, etc.
Well, many shows I have watch have had large cast's - thats not really a problem. We (humans) tend to be good at separating and remembering separate stories for different people."Lost" being a obvious example that, at its best, juggled a pretty large number of characters each with (increasingly elaborate) life histories.

I think the key is we are good at remembering events rather then details. That is, what happens, rather then precise dates or scenery etc.
The problem is imho, if a show expects you to remember a lot when nothing much seems to be happening. Why should I invest effort unless theres stuff to hold my attention
As I said, based on those 4 episodes I didnt have any idea there was much to remember because nothing seemed important. (expect, well, stuff at the ends of the episode - but thats common with most serialized shows)

That all said, I can certainly appreciate the complexity of doing a book adaption like this.
I am puzzled why they reversed the title/subtitle though.
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OnceUponATime s1epp20
- Still quite brilliant. Really cant see where they are going with this. Admittedly a lot of the fun of the show does come from Robert Carlyle, who really is a fantastic actor.

Legend of Korra s1epp5
- Great worldbuilding and humour, superb animation. However, the story is too straightforward at the moment. Needs some twists/unexpected stuff. At the moment it isnt quite upto the standard set by Avatar.

Caste s1epp1-3 - Seems like a fun detective show. Plots arnt that original (Killer copying an authors work?) but the characters humor make up for it.
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We (humans) tend to be good at separating and remembering separate stories for different people."Lost" being a obvious example that, at its best, juggled a pretty large number of characters each with (increasingly elaborate) life histories.
Personally I loved Lost for that complexity. I loved realizing that X was Y's sister who knew Z's father and they all didn't know it from each other.
Game of Thrones shares the same complexity. And just like Lost, there is no good or bad. All they characters make a valid point at doing what they do.

Just keep watching, and I hope the series will appear less dull later on
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DF I haven't seen the show yet and I might feel the same after those 4 episodes, but I don't recall any show from the drama genre that got me hooked in such a short time. I usually try to push forward for a few more episodes.
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Well, Lost had me hocked exactly on the 4th epp :P

hmz..24 I was hocked first epp - but obviously thats a lot more straightforward.

Prison Break was longer - I think epp6 or so got me when the riot started and the "shit hit the fan".

I lot of my favorite shows actually tended to start of episodic then get progressively more serialized. Farscape and B5 fall into this category, starting straightforward then getting heavily serialized.

Gargoyles (my favorite all time animated show) hocked me on epp1 - but then I am cheating, as that was a 5 parter :P

Once Upon a Time - Enjoyed from epp1, didnt really start doing more complex storytelling too a few epps in. (Very Lost-like in the way some flashbacks tie into other flashbacks, but are presented out of order)



So, yes, I guess I have given some shows longer although they do often entertain me more in other ways upto that point.
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Lost got me hooked on the 2nd episode or so. And it's so far the only series that got me hooked.
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HIMYM is great, but I cant say I am truely hocked.
S2/S3 it peaked, been going downhill since really. They kinda gave up on having a planned narrative at that point I think.

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hmz...it is certainly harder to think of a show that was more "wtf I need to know what happens next".

Farscape had that, but only from roughly season 2 onwards (when it went from episodic to serialized). But even then it didnt have quite the same end of epp cliffhangers Lost did ('cept in the season and mid-season finals). Still, fantastic ideas and lots of cliche subverting.

24, was is basicly nothing but hourly cliffhangers. Very well done, but certainly its "easy" in its suspense. It doesn't have a rich mythology, its more from moment to moment horrible situations and seeing how (or if) people get out of them. Simple really, but it did work, at its peak (s5 imho) I definitely wanted the next epp pronto.

Babylon 5 - again though, like Farscape didnt really kick of till its second season. It did build up quite a mythology though, and had a really good ending....before it was renewed for a 5th season

Parts of Fringe, early Heroes, Misfits s2, The Sarah Connor Chronicles s2...

Come to think of it, a lot of shows that have hocked me have taken a lot longer then Lost to get going. Allthough, arguably, many kept it together longer too.
I guess many shows dont feel confident doing serialized stuff without first doing more episodic stuff.

Currently OnceUponATime is the only show I am constantly wanting more of. But even thats not really due to urgent cliffhangers....its more just because I have no clue where they are going with it.
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