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Old 2004-06-24, 14:23
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Laptops are indeed the poorer cousin. But then again tablet slates are pretty damned cool..........*drool*
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Old 2004-06-24, 15:08
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They look very nice, they arnt actualy that pratical.
At least, the one in my university wasnt.

A bit like flatscreen moniters they look cool turned off, but when your using them for a few days you notice they are inferiour to the CTR in terms of quality.
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Old 2004-06-24, 17:04
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My friend has one - it's a convertible one though. I like the idea of them, but to be honest I dont like the way the pointer follows the stylus, it would be better if it wasnt there imo. Havent really looked at screen quality in depth yet... Has a hell of a big processor cache tho... 2MB if I'm not mistaken!
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Old 2004-06-24, 17:22
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Pandy: Acer is very cheap, yes.. but they're only really good for the larger notebooks, like 15.1" and more.

Tablet pc's aren't that much use, indeed. They're too heavy to carry around on your arm all day, are expensive and unpractical (I can survive better with just a keyboard than just a pointing device). Laptops are much more diverse in functionality.

Darkflame, TFTs inferior? Not really... TFT vs CRT:

pros:

- Smooth sharp screen (1 pixel = 1 pixel, not a few blurred dots)
- No refresh rates, always calm screen, easier for the eyes
- Higher contrast
- No screen distortions like moire/pincushion/trapezoid etc
- No variable focus points or resizes due bad power supply (try to minimize a white window so a black background appears, you'll notice the edges move a little)
- Flat screen (as in no fish bowl). Yeah, there are true flat CRTs too.
- They don't wear out like CRTs do (lose contrast/focus over the years)
- 17" = 17" viewable, not a few inches hidden underneath the monitor bezel. Not really a 'pro' factor, just something to take into account when comparing CRT and TFT sizes (TFT = CRT+2" equals roughly).
- Obvious: flat (as in small), no heat, less power consumption, etc.

cons:

- Slow: ghosting/fading
- Untrue colours
- Smaller viewing angle
- Only 1 real resolution (smaller ones are resized with distortion and higher ones aren't possible)
- Larger dot pixel size: get too close and you'll see the pixel grid easily.
- Chance of dead (sub)pixels without factory warranty
- Less durable than CRTs
- Obvious: expensive.

Most of the cons are getting better and things like ghosting, viewing angle and untrue colours are irrelevant if you choose a good model. I wouldn't say TFT is inferiour, just that they're quite new and there's only a relatively small amount of good models that don't have most of the downsides of TFTs, plus they cost way more.

We have several models TFT monitors from Philips in the computer labs at university and there's a huge difference in quality.



Newest Pentium-mobile CPUs (Centrino) models have 2 MB cache, yeah. That rocks
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Old 2004-06-25, 03:29
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PC all the way!!!
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PC. Nothing beats the hardwarematic customability, prices (competition), compatibility, support and speed, although some people clame otherwise on that last point.
ok, let me be another one of those guys by translating a part from a greek mac magazine:

"Look at the speed of decipherment of the algorithm RC5 from a few systems:
-PowerPC G4, 1000 Mhz, 2 Processors: 21,129,654
-DEC Alpha 21264, 725Mhz, 8 Processors: 11,536,680
-AMD Athlon Thunderbird, 1533Mhz, 2 Processors: 10,807,034
-Intel Pentium 3, 1333Mhz, 2 Processors:7,559,280
-Intel Xeon, 1000Mhz, 2 Processors: 5,835,597
-Intel Pentium 4, 1800Mhz, 2 Processors: 4,870,420
-Sun UltraSparc III, 750 Mhz, 2 Processors: 2,977,968
-Sun UltraSparc II, 450 Mhz, 2 Processors: 1,458,333
Bigger number means better. "

I think that alone says it alone...
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PC 'cause you can customize them a lot, you can build them yourself, and evoluate them yourself too.
Mac are good machines if you need something which you don't want to evoluate, I mean it's good when you want a machine which does what you need and nothing more, without bugs and without having to mend it. But it cost a lot...

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ok so /me would buy a PowerBook or iBook, with the smallest screen possible, and some periphs.
You'll pay a lot and you won't do a lot of things with...
Have you ever used a mac ??
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wacko ~ I use them day-in-day out at my university, and you quikly see faults with them.
The same colour can apear quite different at different areas of the screen (even when you are viewing it head on).
They frequently have trouble handleing anti-anylising or divering.
(you can actualy see them flicker when your shutting the pc down and the desktop "fades")

And im sorry to inform you, they do have refresh rates and they are in fact slower then CTR.
Much slower.
Much much slower.
You want to use 3D shutter glass's on a CRT?
You simply cant.
Not fast enough.
However, each refresh is "better" if you like, so it needs less of them.
(dosnt constantly fade in from black, it mearly fades from the last colour)

This makes static images appear much better (say, reading off the screen).
But fast movement isnt done so well.
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Old 2004-06-25, 20:50
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Darkflame: I noticed terrible colours on some of the older TFTs at university as well, like very light yellow appears plain white unless you view it from a very sharp angle, and dark blue and black are sometimes hardly distinguishable from eachother. However, the newer ones really have fine colours compared to CRT and have higher contrasts. It really really depends on the age and quality of the model you're working with. Refresh rate might be lower, which is indeed noticable with slower (older) monitors, where you can see moved pixels when you move a vertical line of pixels to the left and right quickly. It's getting better all the time though.
The whole concept of a TFT is nicer, too. It's a pad of pixels instead of an electrons cannon.

V2: how nice, an outdated benchmark (thunderbirds? ultrasparcs?) with one test with one piece of software from a subjective source. I've read articles where they concluded that PC hardware is faster and cheaper with software suites like Adobe Photoshop, which was previously one of the last real good reasons for people to use Macs. Sure, a dual G5 Mac kicks ass, but think of the pc you could have assembled for the same price. If not more speed, then certainly the value.
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Old 2004-06-26, 16:48
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all I did is rewrite the test, as I saw it on the magazine. I never quite cared to learn a lot about computers so that I can speak efficiently supporting my views... I don't even have an idea what a "thunderbird" or an "ultraspark" is, but I thought it would be convincing

ok, I'll shut up now..
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