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Old 2013-11-21, 08:19
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1. Also take a look at this 3ds max scene that I made shortly after making this thread. I'd be happy to explain everything that's happening there if something is unclear

2. Got any download link for the movie? I can't find it.

3. Do you think I can sue them? I'm not joking... it seems to me that it's not outside the realm of possibilies they actually stole my idea.
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Old 2013-11-21, 10:00
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Stole your idea? As in, came to the magic ball network forums, saw your post and used it as inspiration for a movie?
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Old 2013-11-21, 10:21
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Its unlikely, simultaneous invention is possible and this world has 7 billion people, but its also quite a co-incidence.

I think the films based on a book, but I can find no reference online...probably because it was french.
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Old 2013-11-21, 12:05
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Anakin, the MBN isn't a fortress. Every post in this forum can appear in a Google search result, etc. My point is it isn't impossible as it may seem to you. Once you put something on the internet, people can find it, and even when they're not looking for it.

But yeah I don't know how likely it is. And still this is not some banal idea, it also seems unlikely someone would use the exact same thing for a movie released three years later.
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Old 2013-11-21, 13:01
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I would say it's not enough of a match to seem likely. Your idea was based on a flat earth and gravity working in a slightly different way, but this movie is two neighbouring planets where the gravity pulls in different directions. And a love story... what else is Hollywood going to do? The holding hands to fly thing is the only thing I would say parallels your idea exactly.
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Old 2013-11-21, 14:11
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Ok, I found a way to get the movie. (I thought the name was UpsideDown but now I see it's Upside Down) I shall watch it.
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I would say it's not enough of a match to seem likely. Your idea was based on a flat earth and gravity working in a slightly different way, but this movie is two neighbouring planets where the gravity pulls in different directions.
I don't see that much of a difference at all.

But I accept it's probably unlikely. I did always believe in the collective unconscious after all. All through history it happened again and again that a unique idea came to several people from different parts of the world at the same time. So it's good to know my brain is "connected to the hub", I suppose.

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Lesson learned -- when you have a good idea, seize it. Maybe next time. I'll try looking at this incident as a seal of approval rather than a missed opportunity.
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Old 2013-11-22, 02:00
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Its worth keeping your files safe though, While I dont think they copied you, keeping a proof of an earlier idea will give you an option if you one day want to make a game of it...and they try to sue you for copying :P
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Good point, I still have the option to make something out of it some day.

For a proof I have this post on this forum here from 2010. And if they claim I altered the forum I can always show them the cache on the WayBack Machine. Keeping it safe would just make it harder to proof no?
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Old 2013-11-23, 19:10
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I just found out the filming of that movie started 1 month before I made this thread.

I'm absolutely sure I wasn't exposed to that movie at the time... this is so weird.
There's no way I could have been exposed to that movie because it was not published anywhere at the time.

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Old 2013-11-24, 02:46
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I just found out the filming of that movie started 1 month before I made this thread.

I'm absolutely sure I wasn't exposed to that movie at the time... this is so weird.
There's no way I could have been exposed to that movie because it was not published anywhere at the time.
Independent invention.
7 billion humans, it happens.

Or collective unconsciousness.
Or you both were exposed to something else that gave you the same idea.

In either case, it was awesome to see your idea in a movie
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Old 2013-11-24, 09:02
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I guess we'll never know. I spoke to my uncle (he's an independent animation movie maker), and he said this happened to him several times. He had a unique and new idea, and at the same time someone else thought of exactly the same thing and made a movie out of it. It's the "same time" thing that's weird.

Being exposed to the same thing makes the most sense, but then it doesn't explain why this phenomena had been there long before the Internet and such with people continents apart.
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I've made an art of my own version based on this story, how I imagine it to be:

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I forgot to reply to this here (just replied to Roy on Facebook) - it's totally awesome, I love it.
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Old 2013-11-24, 10:43
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It seems a bit silly if someone thinks his idea was inspired to make a big hollywood movie.

Especially when it's a a rather simple idea. If you had a completed story full with details you'd have a case.
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Old 2013-11-24, 13:29
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Simple doesn't mean obvious though - at least, I haven't come across it in any media form before. (and I read/watch a lot of sci-fi).
Non-linear gravity is certainly pretty common, but mater-specific gravity seems fairly unique. Then apply that to people, balancing by weight, color-specific opposite mater....all extrapolations or coincidences, but I wouldn't say its obvious.

By comparison, the story of the film itself is pretty bog standard - two people from different society classes fall in love.
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Also try going against the hollywood lawyers, good luck
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Old 2013-11-24, 15:46
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It even have the "17 years later" thing. Exactly like I wrote it. They were children, doing exactly what I wrote they were doing, then it goes about 17 years later and then their adventure begins. Just like I wrote it would.

I couldn't watch the whole movie, it was too upsetting...
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Upsetting ? Why ? I thought it would make you happy, like if someone made a movie to discuss your idea...
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Old 2013-11-24, 23:30
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I just found out the filming of that movie started 1 month before I made this thread.

I'm absolutely sure I wasn't exposed to that movie at the time... this is so weird.
There's no way I could have been exposed to that movie because it was not published anywhere at the time.
So they didn't steal it from you.

Why are you upset?

Do you think if this movie wasn't made you would have turned it into a movie?
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I feel the need to point out that on a flat world gravity wouldn't be uniform, it would pull you towards the center. However if the world is big enough to be treated as infinitely large with respect to its residents ([area occupied by man] / [area of world] << 1) then to a very good approximation gravity would indeed point downwards (the same way we treat the electric field in a parallel plate capacitor to be uniform). However as somebody strayed towards the sides of the world this approximation would quickly fall apart.

As for the movie, yeah obviously no one stole the idea. It's a new twist on the old "people from different/opposing worlds/backgrounds fall in love against all odds" bit. The version given here and the one in the movie are indeed very similar, but still nothing close to being the uncanny coincidence CF is making it out to be, and there's surely no reason to bring in the "collective unconscious". I only know about the collective unconscious as presented by Carl Jung, and I'm fairly sure it doesn't apply to this situation at all.
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Old 2013-11-24, 23:49
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I feel the need to point out that on a flat world gravity wouldn't be uniform, it would pull you towards the center. However if the world is big enough to be treated as infinitely large with respect to its residents ([area occupied by man] / [area of world] << 1) then to a very good approximation gravity would indeed point downwards (the same way we treat the electric field in a parallel plate capacitor to be uniform). However as somebody strayed towards the sides of the world this approximation would quickly fall apart.

As for the movie, yeah obviously no one stole the idea. It's a new twist on the old "people from different/opposing worlds/backgrounds fall in love against all odds" bit. The version given here and the one in the movie are indeed very similar, but still nothing close to being the uncanny coincidence CF is making it out to be, and there's surely no reason to bring in the "collective unconscious". I only know about the collective unconscious as presented by Carl Jung, and I'm fairly sure it doesn't apply to this situation at all.
Agreed except maybe the collective unconscious, it could be two people get a similar idea at the same time. But that could also be coincidence.

Having said that, quite an ego you must have if you just asume they stole your idea without you checking out if that is legit

Also, Roy your drawing is really cool. But I love what you did for chibi kokoro
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It's nice to see a normal post from you Anakin, please keep it up. About the gravity, as I explained it it's a different kind of gravity, based on direction and not on Newton's law of gravitation. That part I think differs from the movie actually. About the collective unconcious, maybe that's not the correct term for what I meant but I coudn't find better words. Maybe the correct word is "zeitgeist".

I still think it's uncanny and an incredible phenomenon that two people think of such similar idea and story that weren't done before at about the same time, give or take a year or two. I'm not saying I'm special, this happens a lot, as I came to know... but it is still very strange.

Retroaspect I was wrong of course, but I was freaked out to see this! It wasn't that far fetched to think they might have seen this post. You put too much weight on the gods of the olympus... I mean hollywood.

I know I should be happy about this movie but it's just annoying to see my idea done by somebody else.
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Well in the movie the gravity direction is determined by origin;
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Its less like gravity I guess, and more like a weird type of magnatism.

The *real* issue with the concept...if we must try to put this in the horribly limiting real world.....is the earth moves. You couldn't have one culture living permanently above another culture, unless they were on some insanely massive overhanging mountain.
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Another big word used for....coincidence

zeitgeist is the dominant school of thought in a certain time period.

You had an idea, someone else had a similar idea, the end.

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It's nice to see a normal post from you Anakin, please keep it up. About the gravity, as I explained it it's a different kind of gravity, based on direction and not on Newton's law of gravitation. That part I think differs from the movie actually. About the collective unconcious, maybe that's not the correct term for what I meant but I coudn't find better words. Maybe the correct word is "zeitgeist".

I still think it's uncanny and an incredible phenomenon that two people think of such similar idea and story that weren't done before at about the same time, give or take a year or two. I'm not saying I'm special, this happens a lot, as I came to know... but it is still very strange.

Retroaspect I was wrong of course, but I was freaked out to see this! It wasn't that far fetched to think they might have seen this post. You put too much weight on the gods of the olympus... I mean hollywood.

I know I should be happy about this movie but it's just annoying to see my idea done by somebody else.
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Old 2013-11-25, 15:41
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Darkf - interesting thoughts.

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No point to argue about that, but I still don't see this case as something so mundane.
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Darkf - interesting thoughts.


No point to argue about that, but I still don't see this case as something so mundane.
Pretty cool idea you had btw, shame you can't fully work it out in a story now without seeming to rip people off.
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I probably wouldn't have done anything with it anyway. Except maybe a game... now that I think about it... this can be the next Portal! Or maybe I'm overreacting? I dunno. Still doable I think. Maybe someday.


Btw, an amusing fact: While I made this thread I was under the influence of drugs. Nothing illegal... just sleeping pills... but it has a mind altering effect all the same. This happens if I take it and not go straight to bed.
Here's another something I found on my computer a few weeks ago under a folder named "drugs" dated June 5 2010, in the order of the files' creation times (honestly, I don't even remember I made it):

[removed! only mods can enjoy this delight now through the post history feature. Have fun, mods.]

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